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Re: Does running 2.5 inch hose really help?

Post by SCCC on Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:27 pm

@dp1 wrote:I'm far from being an expert on this but think of it this way, why does the holes glide dries the carpets better than slotted or hybrid ? Because the cfm is restricted and it provides more lift, just like when you restrict water flow on garden hose, it will provide more pressure.
Like Eddy always said, keep it simple ! Very Happy

A blower is positive displacment so it pulls no mater what, the hole glide increases volocity at the holes, I think hole glides make the biggest change on smaller TM's. Bigger TM's will more than likely blow the Vac Relief valve more as they are already maxing out the vacuum hose, so the gain may not be as noticed, but the wand sure is nice and easy to push.
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Post by Mo on Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:22 am

@ACE Services wrote:
@dp1 wrote:I'm far from being an expert on this but think of it this way, why does the holes glide dries the carpets better than slotted or hybrid ? Because the cfm is restricted and it provides more lift, just like when you restrict water flow on garden hose, it will provide more pressure.
Like Eddy always said, keep it simple ! Very Happy
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Post by Matt; My carpet cleaner on Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:53 pm

So I've noticed in increase in heat. I've been getting vapor as I rinse. I had not been getting that. It is an Everest, run on single tool mode.
I'm guessing going from 2.5" to 2" is causing the engine to run under a little more load; enough to cause it to heat th water more.
So on the temp gauge; when I'm triggering a lot, the needle goes down to about 230°. Now it is just below the high mark of 320°.
I have burn marks on hand and arm to prove my point/theory.
Today I did a rental that had dark traffic lanes. Some of it was 1 pass cleaning(using saigers sauce prespray). The wand tube was even getting hot.
So if your wondering what is in the sauce.
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Post by milspec6 on Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:02 pm

Now isn't that interesting.....more heat and likely more water recovery. Doesn't sound bad to me at all.

When you think about it, aren't these machines built around the concept of a single 2 inch or single 2.5 inch vacuum hose in the first place? We all chose to mod them, but maybe they did their research better than we gave them credit for?
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Post by Matt; My carpet cleaner on Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:24 pm

Mine is an earlier model, 2-2" vac ports. EXCEPT the I.d of the port are really 1.75". Yep, small. That's why I did my mod to bypass those ports. Right off the waste tank lid it is 2.5" to the filter, then2" coming out of filter to the wand.
From experience, with a long his run I will see a drop in lift after 175'. With just 2" hose.
When I first did 2.5'(50') mod, then 2" after that, I did a hose run of 225' and it made a difference at the wand. But I hardly ever go over 125' now.

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Post by dp1 on Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:09 pm

@ACE Services wrote:
@dp1 wrote:I'm far from being an expert on this but think of it this way, why does the holes glide dries the carpets better than slotted or hybrid ? Because the cfm is restricted and it provides more lift, just like when you restrict water flow on garden hose, it will provide more pressure.
Like Eddy always said, keep it simple ! Very Happy
Always said dang when did I die. Lol

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Re: Does running 2.5 inch hose really help?

Post by dp1 on Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:12 pm

@Matt; My carpet cleaner wrote:So I've noticed in increase in heat. I've been getting vapor as I rinse. I had not been getting that. It is an Everest, run on single tool mode.
I'm guessing going from 2.5" to 2" is causing the engine to run under a little more load; enough to cause it to heat th water more.
So on the temp gauge; when I'm triggering a lot, the needle goes down to about 230°. Now it is just below the high mark of 320°.
I have burn marks on hand and arm to prove my point/theory.
Today I did a rental that had dark traffic lanes. Some of it was 1 pass cleaning(using saigers sauce prespray). The wand tube was even getting hot.
So if your wondering what is in the sauce.
Harvard products:
Strike force, extreme, grime release, g-force, citra-zov

You have an upgraded temp gauge ? My stock gauge only reads up to 250 ?
Wow those mixture of Saiger's prespray more likely going to kill Rob and AC laughing
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Post by milspec6 on Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:03 pm

I think I have a headache just from reading about that "special sauce. Laughing
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Re: Does running 2.5 inch hose really help?

Post by ACE Services on Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:50 pm

Matt
You should not be getting that hot. If I remember correctly on the front of the unit where your chemical check valve is on the left side of that manifold is a line if you open that connection there is a flat disk with a tiny hole make sure it is not clogged. After that in the manifold itself is a filter screen like the one you use on your wand pull it out and clean it, put it back together and test it.
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Re: Does running 2.5 inch hose really help?

Post by Matt; My carpet cleaner on Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:17 pm

@ACE Services wrote:Matt
You should not be getting that hot. If I remember correctly on the front of the unit where your chemical check valve is on the left side of that manifold is a line if you open that connection there is a flat disk with a tiny hole make sure it is not clogged. After that in the manifold itself is a filter screen like the one you use on your wand pull it out and clean it, put it back together and test it.
Oh, I don't think that is actual water temp. Which make the gauge info useless IMO.
It probably about 220° ATW or so. It pops a little when I trigger; which from my experience with my sizzling EZ TM,  is 220+.


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Post by Matt; My carpet cleaner on Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:19 pm

www.jondon.com/water-temp-gauge.html

Mine is like this, only it says 320° on the last notch on the right. Where this one has nothing.

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Post by Matt; My carpet cleaner on Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:26 pm

@milspec6 wrote:I think I have a headache just from reading about that "special sauce. Laughing
Very slight Chem smell.
I just ordered some dd12(peppermint) and quat a lot from Judson. Gonna see how well the quatalot works compared to Miracle. So I'm going to spice up the smell of the prespray with peppermint.

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Post by milspec6 on Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:37 pm

Sometimes quats (any oxidizer really) can cause the other chemicals to separate and leave a bad result, so test it out at home first.

I still recall using a very pleasant deodorant once that once mixed with OSR turned into a strong sewage smell....it was horrible.
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Post by steamprony on Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:14 pm

Hi Mil, anything with the solution. Did you get the fix?

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Re: Does running 2.5 inch hose really help?

Post by dp1 on Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:15 pm

Steamprony, there is no fix for that separation, once they are separated, they are separated, besides OSR takes some of the odor out by itself, unless if it's really bad then you can add odorcide to it, or Joedorcide if you have an OK relationship with Joe Bristor, it is expensive but works really well, and can be mixed with OSR with no issues, however it is oil based, so you have to be careful how much you use.
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Post by Matt; My carpet cleaner on Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:42 pm

Since I got rid of my 2.5"(50') hose, my water temp are hotter. How hot? got 3 blisters this week from touching various hot metal.
1. was using Ken Raddens technique of removing gum. vac hose in one hand, hot water line with wash downer in the other. My thumb would control the sutoff valve. Off, on, off, on....HOT! blister on thumb.
2. cleaned alot of upholstery. my tool has internal jet so I can trigger and push and pull to clean. zig zaggling over a cushon; get about 2/3 of the way across and the metal handle gets-HOT! blister 2.
3. IDK where the 3rd blister came from. quick connect maybe.
never had this happen;;  get ing blisters.


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Post by Larry Henson on Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:25 pm

I'm kinda thinking like you rob on the 2 1/2" hose, seems to have water left in the hose whereas the 2" never did but I only run a 45 blower so I thinking of going back to 2" all the way . My longest hose run is normally 100 to 125 feet and wrestling that 2 1/2" for just 50 feet doesn't seem worth it. I drank the Kool-Aid but am beginning to wonder if I was mislead or just a sucker on the latest and greatest new thing, probably both.

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Post by Matt; My carpet cleaner on Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:18 pm

Larry, what I experienced was a benefit on long nose runs. 200'+. Very first time with 2.5' was on a 225' run. The 14" wand was howling. But now, I hardly ever go over 125'. Ya, so what's the point of wrestling with the big hose?!

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Post by milspec6 on Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:26 pm

And I thought I was the only one.....

This has been educational, the point about vacuum lag struck a nerve as my waste tank is 210 gallons and there is definitely some lag time.
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Post by Matt; My carpet cleaner on Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:03 pm

I ment Hose runs; not 'nose runs'.

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Post by Larry Henson on Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:04 pm

That would be a long nose run

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Post by Matt; My carpet cleaner on Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:07 pm

@milspec6 wrote:And I thought I was the only one.....

This has been educational, the point about vacuum lag struck a nerve as my waste tank is 210 gallons and there is definitely some lag time.
Which brings UP the point; does size matter? On the waste tank! How does it affect the lift at the wand? If any.
If it does, then would a small waste tank with a pumpout to an aux waste tank provide better lift/cfm?? Hmmm

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Post by Matt; My carpet cleaner on Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:08 pm

@Larry Henson wrote:That would be a long nose run
Yep.

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Post by milspec6 on Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:08 pm

Very interesting question there Matt....might be worth an investigation.
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