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Post by milspec6 Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:17 pm

I need some help settling an argument regarding this speech.  I don't want to drag politics into this forum as nobody wins when that happens.  However, I am finding this fascinating how so many people can hear the same sentence and hear two different things.....and be willing to defend to the death that they heard it right.  Fascinating.

Anyway, indulge me here.  This is the Hillary Clinton rally speech given to a bunch of high school students in Omaha a couple of days ago.  I want you to listen very carefully (listen to it several time to be sure) at about the 30:15 mark and tell me what she says about her tax plans for the middle class.

Listen carefully and be sure of what you heard and let me now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0fCAq5IiMA
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Post by Freemind1 Tue Aug 02, 2016 8:50 pm

We are going to write rules fairer for the middle class AND raise taxes on the middle class.


How can you confuse that?

She intends to RAISE taxes on the "rich" (whomever she is really referring to) AND she plans to raise taxes on the middle class.

I listened to about 2 minutes BEFORE that part twice, to get the context of what she was talking about. So yeah, she want to raise taxes on EVERYONE paying taxes. I clearly understand her.

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Post by milspec6 Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:31 pm

That is how I heard it, but to all Clinton supporters, they have all stated that she said "aren't" going to raise taxes on the middle class.

Now, this isn't damage control spin either. I played that video in front of those that I know are supporters of hers and then I asked them what they heard. To the person, they all said "aren't" right off the bat.

I really think that what you hear on this video depends entirely on if you are a supporter or not.

Try it, find someone who supports Hillary and play the video. See if they hear "aren't" as well.
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Post by Freemind1 Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:49 pm

I do not associate with left wing, socialists. So I would have a hard time asking someone.

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Post by milspec6 Tue Aug 02, 2016 10:37 pm

I don't really either, but I do spend some time on a guitar forum and that place is full of them.
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Post by Mo Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:43 am

I sure as hell am not going to listen to the whole speech but I did listen to the part that you referenced and I heard "aren't".  I slowed down the video to hear if my ears were deceiving me
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Post by milspec6 Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:13 am

See, that amazes me. Some clearly hear "aren't" and others hear "are" and both would swear by their opinion.

I keep going back and I only hear "are"....even though my ear is at the speaker and I am actively trying to hear "aren't". When I try to read lips with the sound off, I do see that "aren't" is possible, but I never can hear it that way.

We need to find a sound engineer who can settle this.
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Post by milspec6 Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:15 am

I just went back and played your slowed down version....maybe I hear something? Then again, the captions beneath it says "are"....was that closed captioned or just someone's take on the speech?
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Post by Mo Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:02 pm

I just took the video on the link and slowed it down. You're still hearing "are" and not aren't? But it doesn't matter we have a government that isn't representing its citizens so what they say at a rally is meaningless

What are you hearing in this statement from the guy with 4 education deferments and 1 for bone spurs during the Vietnam war?

" I always wanted a purple heart. This was much easier"

" I don't like people "vets" that get captured"

Trump did what he did had to do to risk not getting killed in that war. But there is no way in hell I would accept a veterans purple heart but that's just me

Maybe Ill vote for Johnson
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Post by milspec6 Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:21 pm

I'm making bumper stickers tomorrow to sell that say:

"Mulligan 2016"
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