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Would this work?

Post by milspec6 on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:14 pm

I would love to be able to speed up my approach to residential cleanings without reducing quality. I am a big believer that when the wand stops, you are making a mistake. I have never liked the low psi sprayers for applying prespray, so that always meant stopping the wand to spray with the inline.

What I have been thinking about is hiring a tech to run the inline sprayer off the second port on the TM in advance of my wanding. It would work like this:

1. He sprays the 2nd floor while I set up the hoses and wand.
2. While I am wanding the upstairs, he would be spraying the stairs and first floor off the other solution port.
3. While I wand the first floor, he could be drying the upstairs and packing up.
4. Once the first floor was done, he would dry the lower floor while I finish the load and meet with customer.

It seems like it would be so much smoother and faster, but I don't know if the second port would work. Despite the advertising, very few machines are actually able to dual wand yet they all have dual ports on the dashboard. I have always been told that the difference in pressures would cause the pump to cavitate too much and ruin the psi on the wand at the same time. I guess I always believed that to be true.

Is that really the case or could one run a sprayer at the same time without damaging the pump or adverse affecting the wand's operation? On commercial where you are running 500 psi, I think it would still be a problem, but you only need about 300 on residential.

Just trying to find a new approach. I am not busy enough really to need the help yet, but I am trying to be optimistic.

The ideal move would probably to bring both trucks to every job to really open up opportunities, but I don't have anyone that I trust enough to drive the other truck after the last one blew out the brake line.
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Re: Would this work?

Post by Freemind1 on Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:07 pm

I remember in the past, guys claiming to do just what you are trying to do. I don't know what machines they were running though.

For me I would want to know how many GPM the wand it dumping, and how many the sprayer is dumping. Is that pretty close to your pump capacity? If it is, then it probably won't work.

Could you get a water otter or the like, to add to your system or your truck, to bypass needing to run two off one pump?

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Post by milspec6 on Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:50 pm

I think you are probably correct about the pump capacity being an issue. I tired it on commercial with a splitter once and it sort of worked, but we were setting the psi at 600 to make it work.....sort of.

You really would need dual pumps, which is certainly doable, but not with the same hot water production. I guess it will not work then....shame.
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Post by dp1 on Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:56 pm

Oh come on, don't be so pessimistic ! Of course it will work Bob !
I do it, just not often, and it really speed things up, but for me I only do it on a bigger job ( well over 1000 sq ft ), I do it the other way around though, I had my tech spray downstairs first and that made it easier for me to set up and start wanding real soon after he's done spraying, in your case, your tech can help you set fans up right after he's done spraying upstairs and can also help you pull another set of hose to pull for upstairs and help you with the hoses ( to be pulled upstairs ) as well. Then he can set up the fans downstairs and get the invoice made while you're cleaning upstairs, I usually get the invoice made upstairs so that I can help my tech pulling his hoses behind him to speed the cleaning process even more.
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Post by milspec6 on Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:06 pm

Wouldn't you be loading out then over the clean first floor that way? Even with booties on, something is bound to leak or at the very least mess your pretty diamonds.
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Post by dp1 on Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:12 pm

Well it depends on the lay out of the house, most newer homes around here have hard floors entrance and then stairs right after the entrance, that's the scenario where I would do what I suggested, if the stairs is in the back of the house then it wouldn't work that way, however if the job is a good size job and a helper is available, I would always pull 2 sets of pressure hoses, that's why we almost never spend more than 2 hours at customer's homes, just be careful having a helper is extremely addicting, I would not want to work by myself again, unless if I absolutely have to.
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Post by dp1 on Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:13 pm

Also that will increase your hourly rate by a lot, you can make $ 200 / hour or more by having a helper.
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Post by milspec6 on Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:32 pm

I can see that now with the layout you described. I have a guy really interested in learning to do carpet stretching and repairs and has voiced interest in being a helper on residential jobs. It is a little premature since I am still struggling to get some momentum this year, but maybe soon.
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Post by Mo on Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:07 pm

Man, having helper is a time saver no matter what the plan of action is and you feel the difference on your body after a big day. Hell I don't have to tell you that Rob
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Post by dp1 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:37 am

Bob, I know you are not cheap with labor, but if someone is desperate for work and you want to test the water, you can pay him less to start him up, after all when you start having someone working for you, you're not going to have him wand anyway, so his job is going to be just pulling the hoses and setting up and tear down, if you start him up low, you can see how it's going to affect your bottom line after a week or so.
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Post by milspec6 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:40 am

Good points Dp, thanks for the advice. We have rain and cold temps forcasted for this entire week, so the phone is likely to be dead. I will be speaking with this guy over lunch on Thursday.

We even have a freeze warning for Tuesday and Wed. nights! Winter is just not going away and it is hurting business. Even worse, I have to protect that coil again!!
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Post by ACpower1 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:35 pm

yes good idea, can also run a CFX type machine and do 2 solution lines so helper can be cleaning upholstery while your doing carpets
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Post by milspec6 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:48 pm

I've seen that done before as well, using a small heated portable to spray a level and then taking on upholstery duties while the other wands. Both good ideas, but I still don't trust anyone else to do any actual cleaning.

I think I will consider the dual truck method. That way there is always a back-up if something breaks down, applying pre-spray would be available, extra supplies available, etc. It would only cost more fuel, but my residential calls are normally within 15 miles of highway travel anyway.

The real question might be is it faster for 2 trucks to clean 2 homes independently or for 2 trucks to clean 2 homes as a team? I am thinking that it would be faster as a team.
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Post by dp1 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:28 pm

It depends on traffic, which in your neck of woods is not much of an issue I assume ? Down here, my current service areas most days are just within 10 - 12 miles, if it stays that way, I can do 7 - 8 jobs / day in 1 van with a tech, if both of us have to go our separate ways in 2 vans, my tech can do 4 - 5 jobs / day and I can do 3 jobs / day, because I have to answer calls and schedule customers, plus I tend to talk to my customers more than my tech would.
Based on my situation, I would possibly be able to do 1 extra job, that's not a guarantee, I would take my chance with 1 van rather than going our separate ways, working with a tech is less stress on both of us and if you don't know your tech much yet, you don't want to just trust him 100 % cause in this industry, doing jobs on the side is a pretty common practice, I can't count how many times I was offered by strangers to clean their carpets right then and there for cash, they even said, "you can pocket the money man", make me want to beat the crap out of him, lol.
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Post by milspec6 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:40 pm

I agree, those "for cash" jobs always were an issue and probably even more so now than in the past with so many fleet operators.

All I can really do is think about it right now anyway, didn't get a single call this week yet and with all the rain, I am not expecting much will improve. I am not even keeping myself busy yet. Laughing
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Post by ACpower1 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:44 pm

I think splitting up really only helps on big jobs or jobs with multiple services.

We do all the hard surface pre spraying with a pump up because you dont need to put down a lot of product.

carpets need the better psi so cant really beat the hydro force.
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Post by dp1 on Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:23 am

I feel there are quite a few scenarios that will determine which of the two is the most efficient, however I think the 2 most important scenarios are traffic condition ( keep in mind that when there are 2 of you in the van, you can get in carpool lanes, which will cut travel time by an average of 1 - 2 hours down here in LA ), and another one is how efficient is the wander, if you and your tech is very efficient, even on big jobs, you still won't see much time wasted from one of you not having anything to do and just watch the other person wanding, especially when there are some spotting to do, the wander can just wand non stop while the other person do spot cleaning and pull the hoses back ( which I personally think is most important in a team work ).
And the most important aspect of all is you will cut down those hours in your equipment, less hours = less maintenance = less wear and tear = less depreciation, especially when you have 30 k TM Very Happy
Don't get me wrong, you can be very efficient working by yourself but it takes a few years of experience to be efficient. You wouldn't know which spots need some spotting if you don't have the experience, I usually do those spotting first before I even start my TM if I think they are not going to come out with presprays.
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Post by Mo on Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:29 am

It definitely takes time off the mom but most importantly it adds time to your body. If you were cleaning alone D P your back would be hurting
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