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Post by milspec6 on Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:53 pm

I know this topic came up over the winter, did anyone end up trying out any of that chemical line?

I just ordered a few of them to test out and was curious if anyone else had done so already and could offer their thoughts. I know Harvard formulates them and they have been a good company over the years and the his "code red" sounded interesting enough to be worth a try.
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Post by Mo on Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:53 am

I havent tried it Bob. How much is it per gallon? What are the dilution ratios?
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Post by milspec6 on Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:08 pm

There are several products so that isn't an easy answer, but the prices are typical for Harvard brands...just below Pro's Choice mostly. I will have several of them to try out tomorrow when they arrive. I ordered the lime deodorizer although I do not generally like using deodorizers beyond the OSR boost, a pet product, and the Code Red prespray which is an enzyme-based with oxygen. At $33 for a 6.5 lb tub it is a lot cheaper than the Pro-Zyme + OSR that I have been using with on CGD. If it works as well, I will save both money and space on the truck.

Most of my customers hate the use of deodorizers, as do I, but I do run into the occasional one that requests it. I hate the spice or floral ones out there, so I thought I would try out the lime.

We are in another winter weather pattern this week with highs around 30 and lows in the teens so the phone remains dead. I am taking this time to make some repairs and updates as well as testing out some new chemicals. One has to stay motivated some how.
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Post by Matt; My carpet cleaner on Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:33 pm

I've been using the original for over a year. It is really good!! Has a Chem smell, but not strong.
I got a tub of the new powder formula (blue). Its doing good, but not like the original.

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Post by milspec6 on Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:08 pm

I received my order today, but haven't tried them out yet. The lime deodorizer smells a little like windex to me, so mixed opinion on that one already. I do like the sound of the Code Red powder prespray though. It really checks the boxes and the dilution rate is a LOT better than my Pro-Zyme. The warnings on the label make it sound like instant death...probably should have toned it down a little for a product that is without solvents or Butyls.

We lost electricity all doay today for some reason despite it being a beautiful 56 and sunny day. Tomorrow is supposed to be 3-4 inches of snow and single digit wind chills. The whole weekend will be below freezing so I get to go out and winterize again in a few minutes......in April!! How am I supposed to get people into a spring cleaning mood when they are shovelling snow?

Next week looks like nice weather though so I plan to test out these chemicals on my home when the weather allows.
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Post by milspec6 on Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:54 am

Interesting results with this Code Red and Lime deodorizer. I tried it last night on one of the worst jobs I do a few times per year....a jungle with extreme soil load, bat droppings, chunks of rotted fruit, mildew odors, roaches, and some other not so wonderful flaws. The review is a little mixed and I will update you later today after I get my work done...pictures as well.
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Post by milspec6 on Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:25 pm

Okay, I used it on the nasty commercial clean last night and a light residential today.  Here is the quick rundown.

The lime deodorizer was a big hit.  I stay away from deodorizers for many reasons (most give a fake chemical smell, not every customer will like it, and adding it to a prespray containing peroxide often ends in compatibility problems leaving a nasty odor instead of a pleasant scent) but this one worked well with the Code Red prespray.  There were complements received on both jobs, so that was impressive.

The prespray (Code Red) was not great.  To be fair, it got the job done on both jobs so that is good, but it is too sensitive to heat and tended to settle out too easily to where you really had to shake the inline sprayer every couple of rooms to mix it back up.  In this picture, I mixed up a solution into a hydro-force per directions and then poured it into a cup, letting it sit for 15 minutes.  You can clearly see how it tends to seperate.



I love enzyme solutions and use Pro-Zyme with OSR on all commercials with great success, but it can handle the hotter solutions better than this Code Red which is probably using organic enzymes instead of synthetic.  There was just some inconsistencies and foaminess which I attribute to the solution temperature.  In a pump up sprayer that is probably not a problem.

Another issue that I noticed is that it really dries out the skin much like Extreme Clean does.  Each time I used the Code Red, my lips and hands would become very chapped and my skin a little itchy.  I had to stop using a lot of products like Ext. Clean due to this reaction and it appears there is some property in Code Red that does not play well with me.  The Pro-Zyme, Greased Eraser, and Procyon products have not caused any adverse reactions.

In conclusion, the Code Red was a serviceable prespray, but didn't stand out against other enzyme-based products like Pro-Zyme or even Grease Eraser in my view.  The lime deodorizer on the other hand, was a hit and if it shows compatibility with other products will be kept on the truck.  I haven't had a chance to try the pet stain product yet, so I can't comment on that.

This was my commerical job and as you can see by the filter bag (I filled 3 of them in an RC99) it got the job done.



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Post by Mo on Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:34 pm

Whenever I hear a prespray dries out yoir skin I think "delimolene" i thinkni misspelled that
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Post by milspec6 on Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:54 pm

I normally draw that same conclusion, but the Code Red is advertised as being free of butyls, D-Lime, solvents, and fragrances. It is also advertised as being synthetic enzymes so I guessed wrong there, but it really did seem inconsistent.
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Post by Matt; My carpet cleaner on Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:31 pm

really didnt need to see the filter. i would trust you that it filled up

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Post by milspec6 on Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:10 pm

But that is part of the fun for us isn't it Matt? Laughing

I have tried the deodorizer now with other mixes and it hasn't convinced me that it needs to be on the truck. When mixed with my other solutions, it just disappears and has no benefit. I might use it for other purposes, but as an additive to a prespray, it didn't live up to the hype or hope.
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Post by Mo on Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:08 am

Reminds me I need to clean my tank and blower. The blower exhaust stinks when I first turn on the TM
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Post by milspec6 on Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:45 pm

My blower is in sad shape as well right now.

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Post by dp1 on Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:21 am

@Mo wrote:Reminds me I need to clean my tank and blower. The blower exhaust stinks when I first turn on the TM

You don’t need to clean it, just squirt some deodorizer into the vac inlet Razz laughing

Someone here recommends kerosene to clean blower a while back ? Isn’t it dangerous though ?
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Post by milspec6 on Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:08 pm

The RV Black water enzyme stuff works really well Mo. Dump in the full bottle with some water and let it sit all weekend. It will digest the sticky and smelly layer of crap that sticks to the waste tank and blower. I am impressed every time that I use it....a little pricey for frequent usage, but once a month is okay.
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Post by dp1 on Tue May 01, 2018 7:48 pm

Any link for that enzyme Bob ? Did you ever run that stuff through your blower ?
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Post by Mo on Tue May 01, 2018 9:14 pm

The TNT has three walls in the tank don't know how much of anything sprayerd in the inlet will get tonrhe blower to make a difference and I'm afraid I might blow it up if I use kerosene lol. Luckily the TNTs have those big ports you can remove to pressure wash the inside of the tank it just a nasty job
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Post by milspec6 on Tue May 01, 2018 9:28 pm

@dp1 wrote:Any link for that enzyme Bob ? Did you ever run that stuff through your blower ?

This is what I have been using for years in the Butler. In the Butler waste tanks they are slightly tilted towards the back of the van with internal baffles to control sloshing. As result, they never fully drain and can get real funky. I just spray down the walls and drain what I can followed by a bottle of the Black Water stuff and done. The smell is normally gone by morning and smells really good actually in the van.

Normally, I treat the tank when there will be a few days between jobs to let it really go to work.

http://www.roebic.com/rv-marine-black-water-treatment.shtml
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Post by ACpower1 on Tue May 15, 2018 11:55 am

personally not impressed with the saiger chem line, the blue smells like toilet bowl cleaner and I got 2 complaints from customers in 1 week.


honestly no matter what anyones opinion is of TMF, I got to admit their chem line is the cream of the crop right now.

Im not interested in all the politics of this industry and the pre spray wars these guys get into, but I will tell you straight up 100% truth..... nothing I mean nothing cleans grout as good as groutmaster and the next best chem isnt even close.


We do tons and tons of shower restorations and stone jobs. It cleans like 2790 but has no risk of damaging stainless or wood.


We are also using the spiked pre spray for carpets and its the best pre spray I have used in a very long time, the cleaning power is unbelievable but more than anything the smell is honeysuckle and customers love it.


I ran a bunch of saigers code red, and the blue... not even close I hate to say it because Mark is a good guy and I really like all his videos.

I have no stake in the game and have nothing to do with any of their political bs

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Post by milspec6 on Tue May 15, 2018 2:40 pm

I have not tried the TMF personally, and I don't get into the politics either...if it works it works. I am just a big fan of being able to buy local which leaves with limited options. Looks like the tile product kicks butt, that is interesting as I still have a few jugs of Oxyblaster which is what I have been using.
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Post by ACpower1 on Tue May 15, 2018 3:44 pm

get free sample of the groutmaster, its also a booster for really dirty carpet.

stuff is amazing.
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Post by milspec6 on Tue May 15, 2018 6:30 pm

I might have to try some....
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Post by milspec6 on Tue May 15, 2018 9:52 pm

This raises an irritation that I have with this industry....refusing to state what is in a product and getting away with "secret" compositions. I just took a look at the data sheets and descriptions available for the prespray that you mentioned and it does not impress me. The only ingredient listed is the booster (Sodium Carbonate) and the individual declarations do not make me comfortable using such a product....especially when not knowing the chemistry of the product.

I do not expect them to list the whole content and realize there has to be some formula protections since none of these products are patented before introducing them to the public, but the end users are the ones who will be exposed to the product and deserve better information. Providing great cleaning results mean very little to me if I have to shorten my life to get them.

As you know, I have thrown out a lot of products for that reason (some that were stellar cleaners) and choose to add an agitation step or longer dwell times to get the job done without having a sore throat, chapped skin, bloodshot eyes, and skin rashes at the end of the day. There is just no reason to do that to yourself. In this product's case, it describes a "citrus scent" so I assume a D-Lim is probably involved, but there is nothing in the data sheets to tell you.

The tile product I think I will try as those jobs often require the kind of punch that only a certain type of product can deliver and you deal with the exposure with ventillation and PPE as best that you can. I am going to pass on the others though, just too much "secret formula" marketing for my taste. As a consumer, I don't need "secret", I need information.
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