Poll on code of conduct

I have said before, I don't care to see the arguing. That said, I voted I don't care. As in I don't care that folks air their problems or point out what they see as wrong doing.

What Joe says about reviews, you have to see that there is a lot of sense in what he is saying. If you worked for someone, you feel that you can't be FULLY open and honest about pay and work environment. We may walk into the nastiest clean situation but we reassure that we can do the work AND we have seen worst. RIGHT?!

I have NO reason to believe Joe would ever mislead us or tell lies about someone. Joe may not like Mikey, but he at least gives him credit where it is due. It is just something to demonstrate Joe has food character. He calls it like he sees it.

Mods and admins picking favorites and siding with one or the other seems like something goofy to do. You are entitled to your opinion, but now you want all of us to "vote" someone off the island? WTH?! Foster, are you here someplace?   

I would not expect Joe to be any different than we know him to be. Free speech unless someone gets all butt hurt, perhaps?

You will NEVER find a board where others all agree. But you will find MANY boards that pull juvenile behavior.. Is this gonna be one too?

"Foster, are you here someplace?  Rolling Eyes"

Who said this was a vote to get Joe off the board? This is getting crazy.

Who said this was a vote to get Joe off the board? This is getting crazy.

WTF?

Nobody is getting rid of anybody, let's put that to rest.

This board is only about 6 mos. old, you have to expect some wobbly legs when it walks. The poll is just to gauge the members feelings on the dust up, so we can adapt if needed going forward....sometimes people are reluctant to say anything, but they will cast a vote.

I could give two cents about the language. I don't like sexual content, period. That is why I leave most forums, I hate trash. The F bomb doesn't bother me, I don't use it but that's me.

I completely appreciate how Joe expresses the truth. He is fighting for the RC, and now the RC wants to cut his throat? Why, cause he called someone out? Crazy!

I'm better today for how I have learned from Joe on how to evaluate Chems, equipment, ect.... Why? Because I have never trusted the industry suppliers, I'm dealing with it now! They cheat, lie, and do what ever it takes to sell you ANYTHinG on their floor. I just fired one last week. Cost me $160 bucks, of which I didn't owe. But your fired right Sunbelt USA? Right Ryan Scoggins? You can be my friend all you want, but don't screw me in my business cause your company made a BIG mistake. Then you expect me to PAY you for it. Really? So I fired you! You could have made it right but you choose to take greed for your route of resolution. Not anymore. Sucks huh?

I could care less if we have BIG BOY suppliers here! I know where to go if I want your stuff. Does that make you feel unwelcome? It shouldn't, it should make you want it know why we feel this way, it should make you want to evolve. Wait you don't have to do you? You have millions of morons uneducated drinking your as Joe says "Yes" milk.

Why should we waver from this RC model? We do because the big suppliers are telling us you need me you need me. We don't ! We don't! The RC model is why we have a following. Because everyday more find it and everyday more begin the change. You see you just dint switch you change, evolve. It's a process.

Again I learn so much from the context of what Joe post, even the long ones, that can get extremely deep. So turn your back if you want, jump in the bed with the pretty colors and shinny satire front, but remember when it all falls apart around you, remember it was YOU that left.

STAY

REALCLEAN wrote:The life and death of a message board is its mods imo.  Much more than the posters.  

When mods start pulling rank and picking sides because of their personal feelings, ex. deleting posts, I get lost.

I don't take myself seriously enough to get hurt feelings.  I also have no respect for others that do.

I find TCL to be informative and entertaining.

Well put and I agree with you...I'm lost here too. I must have missed something, maybe there was a meeting or a phone call that I don't kow about, but I don't know why there is so much talk about kicking someone off the island, cutting throats, or banning people. When was this put out?

This board was founded on the idea of being different than the others. A group of real cleaners supporting each other and creating a new way of doing business...free of dishonesty and with respect to each other. It isn't always going to be smooth water and we had a few waves this week...no big deal, we move on. Do we address the language...that is for the members to decide and why Mo added the poll.

I have spent plenty of time reading the posts and I see strong support for Joe and the message that he is trying to deliver, so I don't know where all the talk is coming from about getting rid of anyone. This isn't about wanting to get rid of Joe or anyone else for that matter, it was about the way that it was presented and if it needed to be addressed....members will decide that.

Well let me see Joe was the first one to mention throwing him off the board,"

"There's about twenty of you regulars here.
I want to see a minimum of 20 responses to a Poll.
The Poll is real simple, do want me here or do you want me gone?
Real Simple. Know that if you keep me I will be as 'rude' as Erik says I am.
It won't bother me if you say Go, just please tell the truth.
Can you all do that?"

Then Freemind says this, " You are entitled to your opinion, but now you want all of us to "vote" someone off the island? WTH?! Foster, are you here someplace?  "

Let me tell you something Freemind. If I get fed up with Joe you'll know because you'll try log in to The Cleaners Lounge and it will be gone.

When I started this forum up I told Joe that he would always have a place to hang hat at the lounge and that I would never ban him.

But I will not be his" Yes" man If disagree with him I will let him know.

Mo wrote:Who said this was a vote to get Joe off the board? This is getting crazy.

Yea really, I agree!...........WTF?!?!

Disclaimer: I hope that no one takes offense to this post. It is not specifically about the conflict or content that started this thread. I am not taking sides and I am not saying whether or not I agree or disagree with the messages from either side contained in the argument. That is irrelevant...

Maybe I'm just plain stupid, but I thought the poll was about conduct - not kicking someone off. Like I said before I don't like conflict and I don't like to fight, but I can curse and hit below the belt with the best of you. I used to do it a lot especially with my evil X. At this point in life (all of us being strong minded, opinionated, professional adults) the question should be why do any of us need to act that way on an open forum - like a bratty teenager or my ex-wife    . If I have to talk to my wife and she gets like that I hang up. When my teen daughters act like that I reprimand them.

I don't want to see anyone banned now or ever. I have learned a lot from many of you and have learned a lot from myself while helping some of you. And, I really enjoy just being able to "hang out" with a bunch of people who I have a lot in common with.

Finally my point is this forum should be a place to "Connect, Learn and Prosper". Not a place to Piss, Moan, and Degrade. If you have a personal beef with another member use the phone or e-mail and work it out, or don't... But don't subject the rest of us to childish behavior. We can get that at home or on TV. We should all have enough self control and self respect to adhere to an unwritten rule of decorum. If that becomes impossible then my vote down the road would be to put in place, and enforce a set of written rules...  

Who was gonna through the flag?  Or were we all gonna just try to learn alone the hard way. That's why we have the "Connect" part in the mission statement of this forum.

Why doesn't Joe have a fair voice, it's his floater/loaner program. It maybe Eric's zipper but the program and Zipper is funded by Wanders. His program was screwed through what was said and then when Someone's steps in that doesn't even actively have a presents here and stands in the lime light like they are the star. I call BS on it. That's why Joe said what was said. I would have too.

I'm
Not sticking up for Joe at all. Just stating facts of what I read in the post. So of you guys just get all upset when somebody calls a spade a spade. Heck it pisses me off when guys just show up around here with out an active presence and ramble about things that are so great. I'll say it. These guys who just vanish. MiA for almost two months and now show up to give us a review. Where have you been?  

If this is conflict with my being a mod the. So be it. I'd rather be transparent of my opinions than guard my tongue.

P.s.  I'm not being scorned by Mo. He will address me of he feels I'm out of line.  Just making an open statement for the members to understand my view point.

Just got this from the guy in Minnesota. Punctuation aint that great but who's is?
I think he writes a fair review, a little more polite than what I first heard, but fair:

I think the zipper is a very well built unit looks very impressive to the client to me it would be more common to use on open commercial accounts I tried the smaller one the large unit would be the one I would want to use on low cut barber it jumped or bounced a bit not sure if that could be corrected if so would be nice one recommendation I would have which would probably be tough but for residential use its handle is to long if it would be adjustable they would really have something nice

Ryan,

It's OK.
I caused a lot of the friction speaking out so harshly about/to Erik.
Trust me, I don't make rash judgments. I know the guy from the days of Greenie.
He & don't see eye to eye on hardly anything. Except I love his Zipper and gave him tons of free promotion.  I really wanted it to work but I just couldn't stomach him taking credit for something he is not. So I spoke up. He cut his own dick off firing me this second time. I have sold and would continue to sell more of them than anybody except maybe him and he knows it. His false pride made him do it.

It was me asking for a poll on whether I stay or leave.
To me, the majority of you are wayyyy to chicken shoot to speak up and this is a big reason the Industry gets held back.
I can 't change you, and you sure aren't gonna change me.  Since I'm a rebel and you guys wanna 'nice' place to play then maybe I need to go somewhere else. So I asked for a poll.  I need to know if you want me gone.  Like I said,  no hard feelings either way but there's still about 15 more of you who need to vote or I will be gone outa here in a week. You know who you are.

There's only one person who got cut from my list here lately and that was for blatantly violating my one main rule - to refrain from speaking before the test period is over.  That's what these Floaters are ... a Test, a written exam, no cheating allowed.
This is not a Gift.  It's not a Loaner either.  I even make the mistake and call it that, but it's not.  It's an honor and a privilege and a responsibility that I picked the ones I picked. I said no to twice as many as I sad yes to.  It's a Floater Program, funded not just by me, but by all of you involved, so it's all our responsibility to follow the rules. It's not an invitation for outsiders to barge in and change the rules or in any way break the silence. And it's damn sure not a stand up in the middle of the test and start spouting out answers kind of affair. That person was expelled. His outburst earned him an F on his exam an a life-time ban from anything I do to help cleaners.    If any of you don't like me or the way I set this up then simply start a Post Reply here and type the word GO.

Are talking about me Joe?

Joe, you stay sir !
Secondly as much as I eagerly wanted to click "don't care" on the poll, I can't, the reason why is the same reason we don't drop the F bomb to our customers, we are either Erik's customer or potential customers.
Third, I'd like to tell everyone to calm the F down, lol, j/k, we could use a joke right about now, can't we ?
MO, I'd like to give you the highest credit in all of these since I would have no clue handling these issues but you did it sir, hats off to you :-)
Lastly, just wanna wish everyone to have a blessed weekend :-)
Wait, one more thing, Mo, can I have ban immunity too ?? ha..ha..ha....

hey I'm the only one around here that can drink and post

I took the time to write the code of conduct for the board today, The whole thing took me 7 hours. Mo can decide to use it or not.

Here it is..

Cleaners Lounge Code of Conduct for 2014

Chapter 1

BE A MAN.

The end.

Terry, I'll drink one with you. I am not scarred. Cheers

ODIN wrote:hey I'm the only one around here that can drink and post

I haven't even break the johnny walker yet, lol

Red or Black?

I was so good for most of the weekend and not reading the forum. Today I accidentally clicked on the cleaners lounge link on my tool bar and that was it I had to read. Bye the way if this forum is causing you some stress and you find yourself getting too wrapped up in the drama take a couple of days off. It is good for you. i've been so consumed with this forum for the last 4 months and I didn't realize how much until I took a step back

It seems like things have calmed down since I was last here and I'm glad to see that. I think the net time the sheet hits the fan I'm just going to lgf off for a couple of days  

Joe (Carpet Daddy) Thanks for posting your opinion on the subject of the poll. Please keep contributing I really admire you as a person and business man.


Ryan,

Stating your opinion is what this forum is all about please keep doing that.  Last week Ryan was going to spend well over 200.00 of his own money to buy shirts and promo items to help raise funds for the the forum. That's how generous he is and how much he believes in the principles of this forum. I told him no we'll find another way.

Rob, I like the way you respond to drama on the forum by relating to experiences in your life and calming things down.

Andy, You crack me up.

Gerry, DP, and Terry lay off the sauce. Wait that was Saturday go for it.

Joe Take a couple of days off the forum it's good for you. The sooner we get this behind us the better. I can tell you that a high percentage of the people here what you to stay including me. But I will start one for you. Bye the way anyone should be able to start a poll here.

Here's my dilemma. The two guys that you are no longer selling to did so because I asked for opinions on the Zipper. So I can not in good conscious continue purchasing from you either. Which is a shame because I really like the stuff you sell.

With regards to the poll 24 people voted.

14 people vote No
7 people didn't care
4 people votes yes

I think we can close the poll now. I will be moving post that are directly related to evaluation of the  Zipper to the zipper thread

The poll is misleading on weather one wants Joe to stay or not, If Joe wants a poll, it should say, Do you want Joe to Leave? Yes or NO.

I like for anyone to be able to speak their mind, if another disagrees, then challenge them on it, let the sword fight of ideas take place!

As for Joe, I love that he is not afraid to say what he thinks, . He Offers cool contests and makes stuff fun for us, and encourages that we help each other. The man is refreshingly blunt, and I love that!

On the other hand, lets face it, He can be a complete jerk at times and sometimes to those that don't deserve it. (IMO)

I think true friends are not suck ups,

a friend should step up and challenge Joe if he feels he's been wrong on something. I think Joe would appreciate that? I applaud Mo for doing just that, and basically saying" hey Joe, I asked for the feed back, if the guys get cut off then it's my fault and I should be as well."

That's the kind of honesty I think Joe likes, needs, rather then a bunch of suck ups.

I'm guilty on two occasions were I though he was out of line and never brought it to his attention how I felt, (because I like him and didn't want to piss him off) , rather I just avoided ordering stuff from him with out telling him why.

He deserves better then that from Me. Joe. I owe you a phone call to see if we can sort it out.

The poll is not about asking Joe to leave. It's about weather or not the members if this forum want to read other disagreement between distributors.

POLL QUESTION
"Do we want to see distributors, manufactures arguing, cursing and airing their dirty laundry on this forum?"


So you either don't want to see them disagree, or you like it, or you don't care. That's it.

Joe asked for an up or down vote for him to stay. With the 20 vote count.

Ryan S wrote:Who was gonna through the flag?  Or were we all gonna just try to learn alone the hard way. That's why we have the "Connect" part in the mission statement of this forum.

Why doesn't Joe have a fair voice, it's his floater/loaner program. It maybe Eric's zipper but the program and Zipper is funded by Wanders. His program was screwed through what was said and then when Someone's steps in that doesn't even actively have a presents here and stands in the lime light like they are the star. I call BS on it. That's why Joe said what was said. I would have too.

I'm
Not sticking up for Joe at all. Just stating facts of what I read in the post. So of you guys just get all upset when somebody calls a spade a spade. Heck it pisses me off when guys just show up around here with out an active presence and ramble about things that are so great. I'll say it. These guys who just vanish. MiA for almost two months and now show up to give us a review. Where have you been?  

If this is conflict with my being a mod the. So be it. I'd rather be transparent of my opinions than guard my tongue.

P.s.  I'm not being scorned by Mo. He will address me of he feels I'm out of line.  Just making an open statement for the members to understand my view point.

Thats right Ryan, I don't post allot. For the last 8 years, I only post here and there and on many boards. I bet I have been one of Joe's customers longer then most here. I posted my review because that is what we each agreed to. What all 4 of us?

Moe asked me to post it. I did.

I will defend people I think are people of integrity. I defended Eric and I defended Greenie years ago to Joe. Joe wanted to ban me back then, but I refuse to let Joe push me around or tell him how to run my business. I did not sign up to the army and don't want or need a drill sergeant as you or someone else explained.

Joe turning on me speaking volumes. I finally see the true Joe for myself. Its funny Joe thinks removing me from his list is some kinda of punishment. I barely have bought anything from Joe in the last two years. Check my purchase history Joe. You really think that is supposed to hurt me? The only thing I buy now is the filter bags which Mark Saiger turned me on to a cheaper supply that are even better quality.

Thats said I always really liked Joe and defended him on many occasions. But like the hundreds before me, if you don't let him control you, he turns on you. So be it. I really do wish you guys all the best. I am not vindictive or leaving here angry. I just can't stand by to see good people like Eric dragged through the mud because he wants to sell his product and won't let Joe push him around and dictate who he can sell to or not. I not talking about the Zipper. I talking about Joe's comment at Eric personally.

Mo, you are stand up guy, and I think your doing awesome in handling all of this. But it's clear to me, that this negativity and nonsense with Joe will continue in the future. Another guy, another cause. Just does not interest me. So I will take this opportunity to leave with Eric.