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Post by Ryan S Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:11 pm

I did my first HAZMAT clean up today. It's a small job, but good experience using what I've learned. Here is the break down, empty home. Bathroom, hallway, and laundry room, with vomit and feces. Affected areas are floor, base board, doors, and walls.

Taped off work area and set up my work site. PPE used, double glove with chem glove over them. Cloth respirator, protective goggles, full tyvex suit with head cover and shoe cover attached.
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These are the area before clean up.
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All lose debris was remove before cleaning. All base board was removed and disposed of. Removed toilet and cleaned. Wanted to make sure all areas were cleaned extremely well
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Next all of the walls, doors, and floor were sprayed down with quat disinfectant. Then wiped down three times with quat applications between each.


The floors were cleaned with the spinner tool. Here are the finished product.
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I'd like to thank Jerry Valentine for letting me run my plan by him. This was a nice job for me to cut my teeth on.
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Post by Davey Cracker Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:23 pm

Nice (in the bad way)!  laughing .....reminds me of that nasty A$$ job a few months ago!!  Twisted Evil 

Sounds like you were well prepared to protect yourself.  cheers  I always carry Tyvek disposable suits in my van, so I'm prepared if needed.

I just hope you got paid well, because trust me a Professional HazMat co. sure wouldn't be doing that for anything less than big money!  wink 

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Post by Davey Cracker Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:27 pm

I'm just curious...............

Did you haul the removed materials to a proper disposal site?

And if so, did you charge the going rate for hauling and disposal?
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Post by Mo Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:30 pm

Ryan getting down and dirty. How do you disinfect you tools after the job? Do purchase new baseboards or is that someone else's responsibility
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Post by milspec6 Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:28 pm

Good results sir, this is what I started working with back before cleaning carpets took over. A couple of suggestions:

1. Make sure the goggles are lab goggles....not vented.
2. At a minumum, use a N95 respirator.
3. Consider Sporicidin over the quats...better kill in my opinion.
4. Be careful with disposal requirements
5. Always clean the tools well after.
6. Get certified for bloodborne pathogens.

I don't want to sound negative about this, but haz-mat cleanings are not things to taken lightly for those thinking about jumping in there. You are going to be cleaning something that is "hazardous" to your health, so you need to decide how much is your health worth to you and dress out accordingly. Personally, I would always go with a full-face respirator on any job like that instead of a N95 or dust mask. You never know what you will be exposing yourself to on jobs like that.

Most areas also have strict regualtions that may require you to register a cleaning plan with the health department before you start. Many areas will not let you dispose of blood exposed material in the trash...as the homeowner you can, but not as a contractor.

Then there are insurance requirements, OSHA requirements, and any other government bastard requirement that they want to throw at you as well. Any of these things can get you into hot water fast....ask me how I know and I will tell that story.

Okay, that sounded negative, but I want to make sure people understand that their is a big difference between cleaning tile and textures compared to haz-mat clean-ups. Not in the steps, as most are the same, but in the regulations involved. That is why those companies charge the big bucks like Davey pointed out.

Ryan, I love that you are ready to tackle anything and your skill as a cleaner impresses me everytime, but be careful with jobs like this....your health, your family, and your business are too important to make a mistake.
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Post by Ryan S Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:00 pm

You guys are right on all mentioned above. I have the correct training and certification to handle which jobs I choose to accept. There is a reason I took this one. Start small and apply what I was trained to do, learn and gain experience. Guys I charged for all aspects of the job, this was far from house cleaning. I know I'm from the south, but were all not idiots. Oh yeah the respirator, I have a this one but was missing a piece that I was unaware of that screwed the Carthage on. http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-PPE-Safety-Solutions/Personal-Protective-Equipment/Products/Product-Catalog/~/3M-Half-Facepiece-Reusable-Respirator-6200-07025-AAD-Respiratory-Protection-Medium-24-cs?N=4294930097+5011378&&Nr=AND%28hrcy_id%3AGS81S1LP47gs_GDGQ6Q3PBB_N2RL3FHWVK_GPD0K8BC31gv%29&rt=d

So I used the n95 that I have available as well. Sorry I didn't put the technical terms in there. Just tried to keep it simple for everyone to follow. I understand all the cautions needed to perform such a job as this. That's why it's take almost a year before I accepted my first job.

Good advice from Davey amd Rob on cautions to take when performing HAZMAT jobs.
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Post by Ryan S Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:00 pm

If you click on the pictures you can see full photo. They have been cut off pretty bad.
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Post by Ryan S Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:03 pm

Mo, my job was to make a safe environment for the other workers to come in and complete other items needed to be done. I will not replace the base board. I'm a cleaner not a carpenter Captain.  lol! 
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Post by Ryan S Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:07 pm

I used the sink in my decontamination zone to clean all tools used to perform job.
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Post by milspec6 Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:32 pm

I didn't mean to come off as a critic, I trust your skill and judgement. I just get worried that some may jump into something and not be prepared. I have been a certified haz-mat worker since 1986, so I am pretty critical about this type of environment...even lost a partner during meth-lab cleanings from exposure (chain smoker who violated respirator rules).

That is a good respirator, but you may want to think about a full-face or even a positive flow respirator. The full-face allows you to skip the goggles and helps reduce the chance of losing a seal. If wearing goggles, they must be non-vented or else they are just splash protection, which isn't much help. Of course, then there are fit tests required for the respirator by OSHA standard. A positive flow like a PAPR gets rid of all that requirement and makes it MUCH easier to deal with a respirator.

Glad you are approaching this from a certification standard, it looks like you did a great job. Thanks for sharing the pics, your posts are always educational.
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Post by Ryan S Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:43 pm

Hey I need your contact, PM me. I could use your advice on some things. I wanted the full face mask and will most likely get it for reasons you mentioned. The goggles I was using were non vented. Should have took a picture of my dress out. No offense taken guys, I know the HAZMAT guys are critical group, same as mitigators. More good advice Rob
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Post by Ryan S Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:45 pm

Terry, a lot of people do. I had to contact a lot of experienced HAZMAT experienced people before I even considered a job.
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Post by milspec6 Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:51 pm

ODIN wrote:I wonder how many just regular cleaners take on this kind of cleaning not really knowing hazards at hand. Just getting er done with little bit of 409 and mr clean

Unfortunately, a lot of them.

Of course, even the most professional haz-mat cleaner has to always remember that they are applying the safety precautions that are "believed" to be the right steps according to current standards. Ten years from now, it might prove to have been of no use at all or maybe even the worst thing that you could have done. That is why you engineer out as much of the hazard that you can before you mask up and go at it. The respirator and suit is the last resort to any haz-mat envrionment and not the first. Controlling the air quality and exposure is the first step. Still might kill you down the road....just saying. drunken 

Look at the Navy's advice on avoiding shark attacks when in the water. In the '40's sailors were told to slap the water and make a lot of splashes to scare away a shark. Now we know that the splashing makes a shark think that they are looking at an injured prey and more likely to attack. Best "believed" measures turned out to be the worst move. What they should have looked at is not going into the water in the first place...engineered control.
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Post by milspec6 Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:05 pm

Look at that smile...hard to believe he still had that after sitting through the first 24 hour portion of the hazwopper and all the OSHA stuff. How do you like the Level A suit?

For those interested, that initial 40 hr. course can be pretty expensive, so Ryan has made a good investment in his business. There are also annual requal requirments that if missed....you get to start all over again. Around here, the 40 HR runs about $1,000.
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Post by milspec6 Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:10 pm

ODIN wrote:Yes this stuff is that bad trust me



Is that what I think it is.....bad memories if that is. Better off eating catfish bait.
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Post by Ryan S Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:13 pm

I didn't pay that. I did 32 hours online at my pace and the last 8 was hands on class. Cost me $400 or so. I have my annual CEU training coming up. Any recommendations Rob. I'm not interested in the meth clean up.

We had a big meth lab in town about 15 miles from my house last week. We have a high population of meth labs in our area.

My condolences on your friend. I remember in a thread last year when I was starting training and research you mentioned that.
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Post by Ryan S Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:26 pm

I don't know what there saying. But gagging is universal. I do that sometimes on BAD trash cans.
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Post by milspec6 Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:21 am

At the fear of hijacking here, let me toss out some advice. Maybe someone will find it useful.

First, get certified like Ryan has done. It is like driving a car, you do not want to be caught without it. Also, if you have the desire to do this work a lot, consider a school like "NIDS" where you get some real life hands on to see if you like it.

Second, always think safety and keeping your exposure ALARA...as low as possible...when doing these jobs. To do it means controlling the air first. You could just open the windows and set up some fans for a few hours to air the space out, but neighbors will not be happy and the health department will not either. So, you will want a PAS (portable air scrubber) that uses a charcoal filter to filter that air and pull out those odors prior to and during the work. That will greatly increase your safety and comfort level. Zipwalls also helpf to seal off areas to reduce the scope of the job,

Third, consider a good ozone machine. This isn't always necessary, but it can be helpful in eliminating a lot of things if you have one strong enough to shock the air. It will reduce the odor, kill some bacteria, and even kill the maggots and other critters that may be present. Those maggots can be faster than you think and you need to rid the space of those if they are present...used to use a weed dragon to burn them myself.

Fourth, always wear a good respirator and use a fresh filter EVERY TIME. I like the powered air respirators (PAPR) for comfort and there is no requirement for a fit test. If you go with a non-powered one, go with a full-face and make sure that it holds 2 filters instead of one. Why? When you are bending over in a suit, there is a tendency to plug your filter by sticking it into the suit. With 2 filters, no problems with that.

Fifth, use a good biocide. This is personal preferrence, but I like Sporicidin products the best. They have a great kill spectrum, non-corrosive to your tools, non-toxic (throat sprays use the same active ingrediant), and they even make a great product that acts as a nice body and hair wash for when you finish those crappy jobs....rids the odors as well.

Last, keep a low profile at all times. Use vehicles without logos on them and try to enter/exit through the back door or even work at night. What you don't want is to have the neighbors complaining to the health department nor do you want people to equate haz-mat with your carpet cleaning identity. Keep them seperate and make sure you find out what regulations are present in your area for disposal and for mitigation plans.

There you go, I hope some of this helps people. This line of work is not for everyone and if you choose to go after it, do it wisely and you will do well. Just like some other things, this is not some simple add-on service...you have to attack it in the professional manner that it requires as it is your health that you are dealing with first.

Byt the way, Ryan, isn't your area big on histoplasmosis? That is an area that you can make some easy money with your new training and some of the above equipment. Might want to consider that as well.
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