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Post by Ryan S Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:47 am

We are doing an office building. Which happens to be a land surveying company. Carpets never been cleaned. 20 years. Oh my. So what we did was HWE, some areas were treated twice and scribed with cimex. So I really wasn't totally sold on the out come. So I filled the cimex up and started to post encap. Turned out pretty good. I bet it will look even better after it dries.

Here is a picture of a hall way. Left side is the HWE the right is with the post encap.
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Post by Mo Sat Mar 29, 2014 9:03 am

Probably would have looked even better if you post padded with cotton pads and a rotary or OP machine  Very Happy
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Post by Ryan S Sat Mar 29, 2014 9:05 am

Yeah I know. Still haven't put the full effort into the floor machine search. Every time I look at those bonnets I got from ya, which is everyday, I call myself a bum. Lol
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Post by dp1 Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:53 pm

Hmmm, that really makes me wonder, what if you use the encap juice in your extraction detergents for hwe, will the result come up close ??
If you have time in the future, if it's not too much to ask, would you mind comparing the 3 results back to us Ryan ??
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Post by milspec6 Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:58 pm

Just use the encap with the prespray and save a step if you are already going to scrub it with a cimex or a rotary extractor anyway.

It does look good Ryan and the fact that you went the extra mile to improve the results speaks volumes. That client should be a fan.
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Post by Ryan S Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:36 pm

DP, never much of the fan with the encap for rinse, I've had foaming problems with that. I know Joe s/o/e doesn't foam though. Rob make a good point too, that get to the depth of this thread. Remembering to try something when the opportunity arises.

Hey, you boys notice that jug of wax and mop handle in the back ground. Lol

This one presented its self cause it was Saturday, and I was ahead if schedule for the job, and I just wanted to see if it would make a difference. If it didn't then I would have stopped. But I just kept going. Only took me an extra 30 minutes too.

My other technician was with me, so I also wanted to display how to go the extra mile, and instill in him the room to make good decisions on the job. Sometimes you just got to try a new thing out. Like scrubbing in PS with the Cimex. Never done that either. Boy, looking back I was mightily adventurous at work today.

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Post by Larry Henson Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:52 pm

I use Joe's S/O/E as a rinse and love it but I only use 16 oz. per 5 gallons and meter about 1 to 2 gallons per hr. and am still playing with it.
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Post by dp1 Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:02 pm

Larry Henson wrote:I use Joe's S/O/E as a rinse and love it but I only use 16 oz. per 5 gallons and meter about 1 to 2 gallons per hr. and am still playing with it.

Wow, 16oz / 5 gal, that's a lot, I don't even use my regular detergents that much.
My question is if encap solutions have a lot of foam, then you would be leaving a lot of residues with encap cleaning process then ??
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Post by Pro Touch Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:10 am

I use 2 oz per gallon of S/O/E as a rinse metered at 2. No foam with S/O/E and the benefit of any residue is it prevents wick backs. When you're extracting your going to leave less residue than if you were just encapping. You want a little to bond to what ever soil may be left and encap was designed to be left in the carpet so no issues. S/O/E is also slightly acidic in a mild dilution, it says on the label PH 6-8 and that is at 5-6 oz per gallon.
What I would like to try someday is post padding to see if that would make a difference.

As always Ryan, Thanks for sharing a technique that can help us achieve better results and get our minds stirring.
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Post by dp1 Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:31 am

Pro Touch wrote:S/O/E is also slightly acidic in a mild dilution, it says on the label PH 6-8 and that is at 5-6 oz per gallon.

Ummm, I don't think diluting alkaline solution excessively will change the chemistry to acidic, vice versa, water is neutral agent, it'll only lower the ph on most solutions, maybe Joe B or someone that knows more about this can chime in here and let us know the correct fact on this.

But that's good to know you're diluting 10 oz / 5 gallon Eric, thanks for that info, I'll finish my detergents and place a gallon or two of soe on my next order to try.
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Post by Pro Touch Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:54 am

I got that info on acidity from Joe on some other threads about S/O/E as a rinse.

Re: S/O/E for a rinse agent
Post by Joe Bristor on Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:03 pm
you won't have any problems.
In fact it's slightly acidic so it will keep your lines and QDs squeaky clean.
Just don't switch back & forth to other acidic products like acid rinses or even deodorizers.
Flush your lines with fresh water first.

Re: S/O/E Rinse
Post by Joe Bristor on Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:40 pm
Cool.
Glad you like it Larry & Robert.
Just remember to never get creative and add anything acidic to the rinse.
SOE is acid enough.

Re: What's your rinse
Post by Joe Bristor on Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:09 am
What Eric said said makes sense.
SOE is slightly acidic at dilution so it will keep your lines squeaky clean.
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Post by dp1 Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:10 am

Hmmm, that's very interesting, it might be an acid based solution then, but if it's acidic then it'll leave the carpets in acidic ph which you're not supposed to, I need an explanation, lol.
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Post by ACpower1 Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:51 pm

pH 6 is slightly acidic, matrix rinse is around 4
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Post by Ryan S Sun Mar 30, 2014 3:11 pm

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Post by Larry Henson Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:39 pm

Sorry Ryan!
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Post by Larry Henson Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:59 pm

Pro Touch wrote:I use 2 oz per gallon of S/O/E as a rinse metered at 2. No foam with S/O/E and the benefit of any residue is it prevents wick backs. When you're extracting your going to leave less residue than if you were just encapping. You want a little to bond to what ever soil may be left and encap was designed to be left in the carpet so no issues. S/O/E is also slightly acidic in a mild dilution, it says on the label PH 6-8 and that is at 5-6 oz per gallon.
What I would like to try someday is post padding to see if that would make a difference.

As always Ryan, Thanks for sharing a technique that can help us achieve better results and get our minds stirring.

Maybe I'll have to go back and retry your dilution but as I explained it is a work in progress and just like the Hydro Force I don't think it is consistent with everyone.....I don't think chemical injection is a across the board thing and think everyone needs to experiment with their own system. I don't have after the pump injection, so mine may fluctuate with incoming water flow as opposed to yours and others. Play with it yourself and mine seems pretty accurate as it is plumbed.
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