Re: Low Moisture Cleaning is just surface cleaning

by John Geurkink Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:46 pm

Andy, you seem to be very sensitive to the fact that others disagree with you, as to your "Just know that I have done (attempted) all the above situations with OP, so I know what it's limits are. As I look back on it now , I feel embarrassed about what I ""thought" OP was capable of." you seem to try to negate "by your opinion" what others and I have witnessed, after 41 years of doing this.
Like I stated, I am having TM to VLM guys on for the next two months, each week a different company that explains WHY they did and are doing this, I have a LONG list of these guys and keep it going for a long time, and most of them have HWE longer than you have even cleaned.
If you missed where I used a TM for a few years, maybe you ought to dig a little deeper, being you always want to be in these posts, do your own homework, you will find it....LOL

by Andy Mc Sat Mar 15, 2014 1:48 pm

"If you missed where I used a TM for a few years, maybe you ought to dig a little deeper, being you always want to be in these posts, do your own homework, you will find it....LOL" -John

You brought it up John , I just asked for clarification as to what TM you used for "years", the fact that you want to avoid answering says everything. I think any fair minded man would feel that it was a valid question.

John-- "maybe you ought to dig a little deeper, being you always want to be in these posts,"----

You seem to imply here that somehow there is something wrong with me chiming in with my 2 cents on these types of threads. Just because you don't like being challenged doesn't mean there is something wrong with someone who challenges you.

I used to think like that too, but then I turned 12 and grew out of it.

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by ACpower1 Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:00 pm

The only thing I think is funny are the so called "tests" where they show some HWE carpet and VLM carpet and the HWE carpet after looks like crap and is wicking like crazy

The "tests" are done by VLM guys that are promoting VLM judging by the wicking and the crappyness I would say these "tests" are extremely biased

Like no dry strokes, high flow jets with a tiny TM, 600psi

I could set up any test with any method and make it look bad if I wanted to.

Theres a video on youtube of a steamin demon out cleaning a Vortex/rotovac combo, doesnt make it true

by ACpower1 Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:05 pm

check out this company here in Seattle, D A Burns

multi million dollar company, rug plants are easily 300k set ups each these guys are the masters of fabric cleaning

not because they have 2 massive rug plants but because they are actually that good at what they do.

they clean rugs that are more expensive than some of our houses

what method do they use for wall to wall?

by John Geurkink Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:44 pm

Blah, blah, blah as usual Andy, I suggested guys hear for themselves and listen to a guy who is changed over, I will put up many over the next months, or they can listen to Andy going back and forth all day.

by Andy Mc Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:14 pm

Nice intelligent response John.

Sorry I forgot your to far above me to have to respond to any point that I made.

I will only converse with low level humans like my self from now on.

by ODIN Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:24 pm

I have heard klode sak state he has never had a wick back

I'm sure there are far more that got tired of the klode sak aid that went the hwe route than reverse

by dp1 Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:35 pm

"You guys out west, where you're running outta water, should embrace VLM. It may save your job once the government starts taxing water consumption."

I'm not worried about it, I'm not paying for them, my customers are laughing

by dp1 Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:40 pm

Andy Mc wrote:"There is a place for all cleaning methods and if the person doing the cleaning takes pride in his work, all methods will deliver great results."

I agree in general. However , (trust me) Many, many times in a residential setting VLM can not work. Ever try cleaning dried cat poo with an OP? ever tried responding to an emergency call were someone spilled paint on the carpet, and you had to try to clean the paint with OP?

Ever had a call where the man of the house cracked his head while working out side then walked in the house and bleed all over the carpet? Try cleaning that with OP. Or the once in a while call where the dog got sick and had a case of the runs on the carpet. Ever tried cleaning that with OP?

Or the job that has gum all over and ink spots, you will be on your hands and knees for an hour , if all you have is OP.

Traffic lane gray? lean how to explain it real well, cause many more jobs will have it when all you have is OP.

Of course their is the vomit, and heavy soil jobs , pop corn oil spills, over flowed sinks , water floods etc.

Some situations you just can not do well with VLM , no matter how dedicated you are. VLM only is fine if you get the right kind of jobs, just be prepared to refer about 20 percent of your calls to your friend with a TM.

This is the best response in this thread imo, and seriously guys, I don't see anything that he said is hating on vlm, he's just stating his opinion and y'all ought to respect that. Just saying.

by ODIN Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:41 pm

just trade your truck mount in and Drink drink drink drink

by REALCLEAN Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:13 pm

If I don't know how to do something, that means it can't be done.

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