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Lol. Water first....got it!

milspec6 wrote:Just make sure that you add it to the mix and not the other way around.  If you add it to the sprayer and THEN add hot water......you will end up with a volcano instead of a sprayer.

The first time that I tried it was on a small stain when I started and forgot my actual stain kit.  I threw a scoop into a plastic pitcher and then added 200 degree water right off the machine.

I could have made a snow man out of happened next and it didn't stop for 30 minutes.    

I looked like a complete idiot, but I doubt I was the first nor the last to make that mistake.

That was nothing compare to what my wife did many many years ago, we worked together one day and she didn't ask me how to mix it, she mixed it the way you did and shook the gallon hard, open the cap and it popped right on her face, thank God she's not blind from it, I told her to rinse her face with clean water for 10 minutes, we can laugh about it now when we remembered that

haha happened to me too..   boom in the face!   lol

I mix the water after but have a good amount of experience with the product and know how hot is too hot.  

Basically most homes the hottest tap water is not enough to make it expand and volcano,   but any water from the TM and you wont have a liquid pre spray anymore so its useless.  

130f  is about the max,      so if I do fill from hot water at the TM I make sure theres some cold water or old pre spray already in the jug.    


If you fill it with cold water youll need to triple your dwell time to like 45min or more and still doesnt work as good.    


They always say never run these products in a sprayer,   but thats just because of the explosion factor...    the inline sprayers have a vented cap and it still will blow in your face if shaken..

if someone took a pump up sprayer and super hot water then shook,   it would be pretty dangerous


so never use OSR in a pump sprayer Great Bay,   the oxygen does need somewhere to go

AC...what is your typical mix for the general pre-spray....then when you boost it with OSR how much are you boosting with? if you dont mind telling.

Im thrilled with it but not a 100% so that I toss my other products...I like to have a mix up going on for various jobs....like the ones who cant afford the "Premium" so to speak.

Scott, if you are serving both sides of the market ( which I don't have anything against of ), you should have something in high PH in your van, like Blitz ( Hydra master product I believe ? ) or firestorm, that way you're not spending a lot of times spotting, however those products will strip the protection in some carpets, e.g. stainmaster, 3M, etc.
Those products mixed strong can strip almost anything, lol.

Devon07 wrote:AC...what is your typical mix for the general pre-spray....then when you boost it with OSR how much are you boosting with? if you dont mind telling.

Im thrilled with it but not a 100% so that I toss my other products...I like to have a mix up going on for various jobs....like the ones who cant afford the "Premium" so to speak.

every job is a bit different but always 2 scoups of Miracle at least for brightening and just in case I didnt see a coffee stain or light pee spot on the walk through.  

Our main 2 pre sprays right now are Procyon powder for lighter to medium soil (even though it can handle some nasty)  

for the really dirty ones we carry Bio-Break with citri solv, for ultra leather like commercial grease then Flex with citri solv its similar to Bio but 12pH


So one example is a ground floor condo I did last week,    renters were spilling ash trays all over the carpet,  tracking grease everywhere   and it hadnt been cleaned in probably 6-7 years of them living there.      

Basically oily food spots,   ground in cig butt scum,   ash tray scum   all over the carpet.. probably 3000 stains in 3 rooms.    


So I mix 5-6 scoups of bio break,   2 scoups of miracle.       Pre treat just slightly more thorough but no blasting just slow fanning.

crank the heat to max (theres no carpet warranty here)    and then slow 360 passes,     just about never takes more than 1 slow flushing pass.      Dry passes the water is just cascading in the site tube,   not much excess at all.      

Then I turn the rinse off on the machine,    for really nasties we run no rinse and stronger pre spray.      This is something I learned relatively recent from talking a lot with Scott W. in Pms on another forum.  

Water only has so much "room" to act as a vessel for contaminants and chemicals.       So when pre spray is very concentrated using no rinse leaves a lot more "room" in the water to remove soils and scum.  

This makes an enormous difference in re soiling,    spots returning,   and taking a super nasty carpet back to a fresh clean carpet.

Perfect...good info. I was confused that someone was using the OSR as a boost or something. I guess they were saying they boost the OSR up a little more or something of the sort. Anyway, that sounds like it would get up anything.

Devon07 wrote:Perfect...good info. I was confused that someone was using the OSR as a boost or something. I guess they were saying they boost the OSR up a little more or something of the sort. Anyway, that sounds like it would get up anything.

Miracle is basically OSR......use it to boost prespray nearly all the time.