Mr Odin or Others thoughts ETM heater

Do you ever plan on adding a heat exchange feature to your mounts?
Maybe a pliable version that can be added on ?
I was really hoping your sswh was stainless steel water heater  
I understand it wont be crazy heat but even enough to get hot tap water hot would work..
I know the velocity dude had some sort of thing he was supposedly gonna do.
What say you?

My biggest problem with ETM's is by the time I have a separate heater, and a generator I have zero room left. I carry LM at all times too....

If you a do lot of rentals with no power then maybe you might need a genie but then again what do you do now when there is no power. I have never used one and haven't needed it. A guy on TMF rigged up an auto radiator using the electric vac exhaust to generate heat. 

Here's how I originally set mine up. I can put my orbot between the reel and ETM or to the left of the reel.


I'm think about taking out the shelf and putting the machine in the rear that ill really open up the side door area


My LG  is between the reel and shelf


Get an underbelly tank and you save room in the cargo area

I know the velocity dude had some sort of thing he was supposedly gonna do.
What say you?

the velocity dude was a crook and did not exactly tell the truth about things and how they really worked. ( he even called me pretending to be a customer tying to get info )

no there is not enough heat off those motors to really even pre heat the water at a proper flow rate.

the key is proper flow rate. a little giant #2 is pretty fool proof easy to use has no moving parts. and it's cost is less than making some kind of HX.

all albert did was just take a bunch of motors ( any idiot can do that ) copy a couple of excising designs mine and a dwain oxley waste tank.

now the only problem is YOU NEED AN 18 HP MOTOR TO RUN IT. LOL idiot!!!!!

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notice some similarity? this was a proto type and never sold.
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There are not enough available amps to even heat the water with eclectic heater for two cord machine.

You can bet that the life of those electric motors would be greatly reduced when using them to pre heat water

you are correct sir they can not have and back flow restriction

Lots of good info.. thanks! Mo your setup turned out so nice! I remember when that think was a big pile of rust!

Mo I HAVE to carry a water tank because I currently live in snow country and water is only available 2/3 of the year.

As for a gennie.. I do some commercial and a possible breaker blow out is not an option.. that and when doing 3 story stuff (especially in the snow) it just gets ridiculous.

I think my biggest mistake in my set up is I didn't get a vertical freshwater tank.. its more long then high. I should just get a nice vertical one and toss my old one.

Do the LG heaters have any "scaling" issues like my steel diesel heater? I have ran so much acid through the thing and it still shoots out black pebbles after only a couple uses.

you wont see black water coming out of a little giant the heater core is copper
you still have to clean the heater once in awhile just like anything else

The LG has no moving parts which makes it a lot less maintenance

and since your a clean grean burning propane would be the better green choice?

That Deseil heater turned out to be past it's prime, I'm sorry!!   Plus the thing is big.

If you ever want to check out what a #2 LG  is like,  I could come up some time and show you mine, maybe clean some carpet with you.

I think as far as space savings go's  ,    that little TM Terry is offering would be perfect,  No generator and no heater, and no fresh water tank needed ,   could hook up to a sink faucet in the winter.   If I had 4000 G's I would seriously loan you the money to get it.

One thing you could do, But it would mean running your machine off the generator, get a 2400 watt eclectic heater, I think they take two plugs? that would give you great heat IF your easy on the trigger and take a minute off to do dry passing . It would slow your production down a little but could get you by for a while. If you can find one used for not to much money , might be an option

I seen a system awhile back on of my customers uses I had never heard of or worked on. I was working on his air movers. But the tm was electric he had to run a cord to the house to operate. As I talking to him about how it worked I found something interisting the water is heated by a coil in the water tank connected to the engine coolant system so that as he drove the van it heated up the water. I asked haw well it worked he said great for him temp. Were around 180 - 190 degrees with a 205 degree thermostat in the engine. He has three trucks the TM is called a Bain system. Been thinking about making a water tank for another customer using 55 gal drums as their a Rest. Company and only need hot water once in awhile but water all the time. Haven't done anything yet.

Ive seen those too. But once your out of hot water thats it. Cold for the day.

problem with the bane you when you get home or back to the shop you have to plug in and heat from low water temp 110 gallon tank then in the morning your tank is around 185 degrees then you drive to your job and the engine of the truck keeps it at that temp.

Problem is every day your using around 3 to 5 bucks of electricity to heat 110 gallons first.

then during the day if you run out your SOL filling the tank again then driving to the next job you have at best luke warm water.

Thanks for that info as I said I have never worked on one . But wonder if a bigger coil would help for what I had planed with a 55 - 60 gal drum. Maybe I'll get around to trying it sometime to see.

just to pre heat the water which I do I have a hx to the exhaust and blower which pre heats the water to the little giant #2 ( small propane ) with around 120 to 140 incoming water to the LG the temp rise is not that great. You use most of your BTU's going from ground temp to say 140 degrees. I get killer heat with very little propane use.

So any pre heating water either to a HX or fuel system greatly improves the efficiency