Best Value in Powdered rinsing agents/detergent

I have neen using Kleenrite's PC3 for a long while. I find it works well, leaves minimal residue, claims to be green and non-toxic. I feel it's the best value out there @ $58 for 20 lbs. ( $2.90 per lb. )What POWDERED detergent/last step/rinse/surfactant ( not prespray ) are you using in your truckmounts? How much per lb. are you paying?

Dry slurry, about $ 130+ for 42 lbs, I use only about 0.5 lb or even less sometimes in the detergent jug, meter at 2 - 3 gph.

Why is this in off topic ? Lol.

Good topic D. All I do is use pre spray and its a time killer because a lot carpets don't need it.  I just get a little worried that the pre spray will leave the carpet stiff and sticky. I guess thats why folks use encap as a detergent/rinse agent

dp1 wrote:Why is this in off topic ? Lol.

Im just glad someone started a topic

Cobbs stain resist powder, $99 for a 45 pound bucket, works very well , no hazardous ingredients. It also works very well as a pre spray. Just make sure,,, you ignore the dilution ratios on the label, Like most all his products you mix at 25% to 50% of what is recommended .

odoban 3 in 1 at home depo $9.00 , for best liquid, netral ph, no residue rinse, wool safe, and has the environment seal of approval.

I don't use rinses much any more....just high-flow softened water seems to work fine for me. The point of the rinse is to remove all the agents you applied in the first place, so if you choose better agents and flush it well, you should be good.

Sure, there are softening agents and other stuff in many of the products, but you can achieve all those benefits by picking the right agent and water condition.

Didn't really answer your question, did I? Then again, what could be more cost-effective than free?

Matrix all fiber rinse,   but its a liquid.    

Used to use dry slurry but that stuff is bad for 2 reasons,   leaves carpet at a high pH I think slurry is about a 9.5 itself plus your pre spray.     Also found it leaves carpet very stiff and starchy feeling.    All fiber really leaves the carpet nice and soft/fluffy feeling.    


This is a good topic,    I have always wondered why all powdered rinse formulas are all alkaline...   I searched and could not find a single acid rinse that comes in a powder.       The main point of using these is to lower the pH from your pre spray,    leaving high pH carpet = bad


anyone know more about the cobbs Andy is talking about? is it an acid rinse or higher pH?


cant wait for the procyon samples coming, that product looks to be very versatile.... you can encap, pre spray, or even rinse with it.

ACpower1 wrote:Matrix all fiber rinse,   but its a liquid.    

Used to use dry slurry but that stuff is bad for 2 reasons,   leaves carpet at a high pH I think slurry is about a 9.5 itself plus your pre spray.     Also found it leaves carpet very stiff and starchy feeling.    All fiber really leaves the carpet nice and soft/fluffy feeling.    


This is a good topic,    I have always wondered why all powdered rinse formulas are all alkaline...   I searched and could not find a single acid rinse that comes in a powder.       The main point of using these is to lower the pH from your pre spray,    leaving high pH carpet = bad


anyone know more about the cobbs Andy is talking about?    is it an acid rinse or higher pH?    


cant wait for the procyon samples coming,    that product looks to be very versatile....    you can encap,  pre spray,   or even rinse with it.      

I used the procyon extreme carpet cleaner yesterday- liquid prespray- free sample. Inconclusive. Will try again today.

Why is this off topic?

let me know what you think diabloz, looked like Mo got some really good results with it.

I'm getting ready to order some myself. I almost picked up a gallon of that Odoban 3:1 at HD that Andy recommended

don't follow the dilution rate on the odoban 3 in 1 cut it at least in half , unless you want to one step with it.

Procyon extreme continues to impress me , I love the stuff. I could be content with it being the only pre spray I carry for all applications, VLM , HWE, wool, and upholstery.

At 10.00 per gallon the Odaban is definitely worth experimenting with.

Mo wrote:At 10.00 per gallon the Odaban is definitely worth experimenting with.

The stuff is pretty good, but be careful not to mix it too strong or else it takes on a bad odor. Weak solutions are pretty nice though.

is odaban acidic ? any reason it shouldnt be ran thru chem injection?

So...walk through a job...when you arrive what is the proceedure? Im trying figure out what is done to get carpets clean and with what being applied and when. Things really have changed in this area...in the past we pre sprayed bad areas and set meter at TM then cleaned. Sounds lik some dont even have a cleaning solution at the meter now....am i reading into this correctly?

ya most just run a rinse through the TM, these days if your somehow cleaning dirty carpet without a pre spray your hacking pretty bad.

leaves a lot of residue in the carpet so it just gets dirty very fast, its best to lay down a good pre treat then extract as much as possible.

This way you dont get call backs, brown outs, or carpet that just attracts a lot of dirt.


usually pre spray is high pH so you want to run some kind of acidic rinse to leave the carpet soft feeling and balance the pH

Pre-sprays are often high ph, but they don't need to be any higher than is necessary to move the ph at the carpet. This is where I feel things are going in the wrong direction industry-wise....everyone wants to use the highest ph products in hopes that it would be the most efficient / effective solution.

I don't think an acid rinse is necessary if you don't over-do the ph in the first place and you are willing to fully flush the carpet. Most soils are causing the ph shift in the first place to the acid side, so why add another acid? To correct the problem that you added in the process?

It is a lot like purifying water. You add citric acid to lower the ph level and if you add too much, then you have to add a alkaline to move it back up. Over-due the alkaline and now you have to add more acid and the cycle continues.

If you hold a glass of water up to the light, you will see immediately how good the chemist was by the amount of floating solids. A good chemist can get the right ph with the least amount of chemicals and thus the clearer water. This is the kind of cleaner you want to be in my opinion.

For me, the formula is really simple:

Vacuum
spotting / stains
test the ph of the carpet
apply the right amount of alkalinity to the entire carpet (prespray)
scrub it up to suspend soils (CRB, rotary, brushes, etc.)
Flush extraction fully
dry with air movers
groom if necessary
collect big check with even bigger smile