Encapsulation test from Cleanfax Mag?

Has anybody seen this? WOW! It seems to me that most of those products did more harm than good. WE need to do our own test. They put the same amount of product ( 8 oz) in those black round chinese takeout containers then dried them out, some dried white , some clear others brown and sticky. As soon as I get some some more of the encap I have been using I will do the test and post a picture. If we all do this we can see ehat works and what doesn't. The article mentioned above doesn't name the products- why I don't know. At least the brought light to the issue.

I've been writing on the forum for you guys to do dish test on these encaps. I think eight ounces is too much though a drop or two is enough.

The ones that are dry and brittle are crystallizers and sticking ones are film formers. The crystallizers have more polymer available to encapsulate soil the film formers have less polymer and more surfactants and it is my opinion that film formers should be rinsed.

Generally the ones with more good quality polymers are more expensive.

Where can I read or get this article?

They didnt mention because they probably advertise with them. lol

I agree on the film forming Mo,    those really need to be rinsed in my experience because they will not vac away.        They do clean really well however


The crystal forming ones can vac away but there is a lot of talk of those dusting into the air as people walk on the carpet.          I remember seeing videos of carpet samples that had been done with crystal encap,    

then they took their hand and swiped the carpet..     whole bunch of encap dust goes airborne


I still am just confused about the crb stand alone method, you basically scrub the encap in and leave it with all the dirt... then you can return the next day to post vac, but from reading other forums most just leave it for the customer to vac away at their next interval. Just seems weird to me to not even extract anything and call it cleaning

Even worse AC is that is the stand alone that oxifesh uses in residential probably only works with lightly soiled carpet

Here is the Magazine issue in digital form. I think you really need to use the 8 oz to see the difference though.

http://www.cleanfax-digital.com/#&pageSet=0&contentItem=0

Scrub and runs never made sense to me anyway. How do you get paid to clean, but not clean? There has to be soil removal in the equation somewhere...bonnets, extraction, something.

As for the dish tests....I'm conflicted on this method of testing. These products aren't designed to clean a dish, so I don't know if the results are really that valid.

Remember when all those multi-electrode spark plugs came out? They sold us on the benefit by showing them sparking these great multi-path arcs when outside of the engine.

The problem was, when fired under compression pressures, it only delivered a single spark path....just like all the older plugs did.

We need to test products in the way that they are being used to get the accurate data. For me, that is just using it and seeing for myself what the results are. If we want to really get a good test, we need to use carpet samples about 4x6 in size and see what is really happening....no dishes, no pepper, no sales ploys.

That would make some interesting reading as there are no doubt differences and some surely matter.

ya you can microscope the carpet samples..    youll see whats left behind.  

I have my reasons for everything I say in regards to encap,  because Ive seen it with my own eyes

ACpower1 wrote:ya you can microscope the carpet samples..    youll see whats left behind.  

I have my reasons for everything I say in regards to encap,  because Ive seen it with my own eyes

That is still the best measuring stick....lab work is extra.

The problem is all our eyes see different. lol

I can see this thread going south fast......we'll see, I guess.

eldiabloz wrote:Here is the Magazine issue in digital form. I think you really need to use the 8 oz to see the difference though.

http://www.cleanfax-digital.com/#&pageSet=0&contentItem=0

Thanks, Man!

Yeah the dish test is definitely not would we would encounter in the real world. Whats really strange is that the dish test is always performed at full strength and we don't use it that way. The dish test relies strictly on evaporation to see how it dries. When we put it in carpet the solution is absorbed into the fiber before it evaporates.

But there is some validity to the test. The very nature of encapsulation cleaning is to leave a residue in the carpet and to vacuum out later. Would you want that residue to be sticky and gooey or clear and brittle?

The ones that dry sticky and gooey are are film formers and they have a lot less polymer than the ones that dry to a clear and brittle residue.

I find it funny how we worry about leaving residue behind with some products yet we encourage things like protector and deodorants.

How sticky or gooey is that protector....many are polymer based, right?

Maybe we complicate things too much with all this analysis? Was the customer happy with the results and did you get paid for your time?

The rest is just salesman talk for the most part.

I filmed a Procyon dish test for you guys. Less than a cap full at full strength and RTU. I also dried some water on the dish as the control. Being that Proycon is sodium based you could probably guess what the full strength sample would look like when it dried.

I know that procyon states that "You can even use it as an encap". I bet there is not enough polymer in there to encapsulate soil. Thats just a guess on my part.

The most interesting and revealing part was when I looked at the sample under a microscope

What did you feed that elephant?!?

Dave were trying the a serious conversation here

http://www.amazon.com/Carson-60X-100X-MicroMax-Microscope-MM-200/dp/B000P8AUMU/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1442472893&sr=8-10&keywords=microscope

that one works good $10,   had it from another hobby.  

Hey AC. Have you been able to duplicate encap dust becoming airborne on the carpet like bonnet pro did with a while back?

no i havent done anything with the crystalizers, Ive only tried things with the film encaps

I'm using the crystal dry encap that came with my whittaker. I see that its a little pricey and will be looking for an alternative when i use up the 5 cases. Any suggestions?

I'd suggest Soils & Oils Encap......aka S/O/E.

Soils and oils encap or vacaway would be my suggestion as well.

I think the S/O/E has excellent performance and is without odor. If you prefer a scent, some of those vacaway products smell pretty good. I don't think they have it any more, but I used to really like "Whamm".....might be a version like it still.

I would have both on-hand as each customer seems to have different views on scent or not. At least until you can confirm their preference.

Soils and oils, Vackaway, and Excellant supply are crystalizers S/O being the least expensive.

Vackaway and Excellent supply offer free samples

http://store.vacaway.com/variety-sample-pack-p61.aspx

http://www.excellent-supply.com/Releasit-Sample-3-Pack-FREE_p_615.html

I thought s/o/e was film forming,     when he added the solvent in the updated version it sure was turning to a film for me,     except it was doing it in the bottle before it was sprayed was the problem


I hope Joe went back to the original formula,     the solvent stuff was a mess when I tried it


I dried some matrix encap in a dish just the other day, I would never leave that crap in someones carpet... turns to a sticky goo