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Post by dp1 on Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:43 am

I have been using dry slurry for a while now and although it's a great product and emulsify really well, I just realized that no matter how hot the water you mix it with, they don't mix all the way, leaving a little bit of powder at the end of my jug causing clogged up wand jets and some other screens in my machine.
I descaled my machine a few weeks ago and started to clean without it on most jobs and I don't see much difference at all, I just use a little more pre sprays on some jobs that have medium soiling, for heavy soils I still use dry slurry mix it very light to avoid the clogging issues.
Do you guys use any emulsifier ? What do you use ?
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Re: Eliminating emulsifier.

Post by Mo on Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:25 am

I've never used one DP. My solution to heavily soiled carpet has not been  emulsifiers or nuke pre sprays. Its been pre-scrubing with the CRB or Orbot if its really trashed. That wouldn't make sense for someone like you that does heavy volume.
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Re: Eliminating emulsifier.

Post by milspec6 on Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:43 am

I am with Mo on this on as well. I never liked running anything through the rinse except the occasional All-Fiber Rinse. It just never made sense to me to add something to the water that is being used to flush away something else...it would be like adding shampoo to your shower head.

That does mean adding more agitation to the process, which I am okay with anyway. I have found that a good agitation can prevent uneven or streaky cleans....especially with these more green chemicals.

Then again, different markets have different needs and as Mo already pointed out, all that agitation can really slow you down, so if that causes you to lose a job every day it might not be worth it.

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Re: Eliminating emulsifier.

Post by dp1 on Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:28 pm

Perfect ! That's what I thought too cause I've been comparing cleaning results side by side ( with and without emulsifier ), a local competitor whom bought my older TM is heavily relying on emulsifyer without even using much pre sprays, he will definitely disagree with you all, lol.
Thanks guys.
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Re: Eliminating emulsifier.

Post by ACE Services on Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:28 pm

powders should be mixed in a separate container then pour it into the head pack that will keep the undissolved powder out of your lines and fittings.
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Re: Eliminating emulsifier.

Post by ACpower1 on Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:29 pm

rarely use,    only for area rugs sometimes and homes that are very clean but never a high pH one.  

Procyon sometimes as its residue free and all fiber rinse.  

Water can only hold so much foreign substance,    which includes soil and chems      so when your flushing out a really dirty one or maybe a bad pet job it makes more sense to flush with clean water...    anytime your pre spraying more.

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Re: Eliminating emulsifier.

Post by milspec6 on Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:37 pm

There is a franchise down here DP that doesn't use presprays at all, just emulsifier, the strongest they can find. They tell me that they can do 2 more houses per day with the time saved.

The bad news is that they also receive the worst reviews of anyone in the area. Some day, that will catch up with their speed gains.
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Re: Eliminating emulsifier.

Post by Matt; My carpet cleaner on Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:44 pm

I use liquid slurry. I mix it on the light side. It has worked for me for many years. Tried others, always come back to it. There is a technical science to presprays and emulsifiers use. (Don't ask me to explain it. I'm just a carpet cleaner).
I do a lot of 'hardly soiled' carpets. As in; looks almost new. I will just flush those with with slurry in the rinse.
*I don't not have residue problems.
I did CWR for awhile(with prespraying).Just didn't seem to do it, for me.

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Re: Eliminating emulsifier.

Post by milspec6 on Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:55 pm

Interesting Matt, what didn't work for you with CWR?

I just did a carpet that looked new and I just used the Procyon prespray on it with a CWR...seemed to work well.
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Re: Eliminating emulsifier.

Post by Matt; My carpet cleaner on Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:05 pm

Carpet appearance after cleaning difference between the two methods.
Today I did a church; the colors seemed to pop and show good color again. Last one, an empty. Executive level home. Just looked clean after.(both with a slurry rinse)
CWR would look; ho humm... OK.
The average person probably couldn't tell a difference. But doing this year after year; WE notice small differences. That's what I see.
That make sense?

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Re: Eliminating emulsifier.

Post by milspec6 on Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:22 pm

Makes sense....wonder if it is the water in your area that causes that?

When I cleaned over in Iowa, the well water was so hard that if I didn't run a softening rinse, it would look lifeless.
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Re: Eliminating emulsifier.

Post by dp1 on Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:42 am

Ok, I'm sorry I didn't make myself a little clearer, I always use pre sprays, did I say always ? Yes I did, good, lol, but in the last few years I also use emulsifier ( dry slurry ) mix very light to help emulsify soils and pre sprays residue ( at least that's what I think, and I could be very well very wrong there ? ).
There is no way I will do HWE with emulsifier only, well may be once in a great while when the carpets are super clean to begin with.
And Ed I mix my detergents in a separate 1 gallon / 5 qt jug, but even with super hot water ( through bleeder hose ) it just seems not dissolving dry slurry all the way, I've been mixing half a scoop at a time in 5 qt jug and that seems to help a lot, but like I said I don't think I need to use it in every job, especially after you guys confirmed it.
The way I see it is emulsifier is supposed to suspend soils ? Seems like hot water also does the job when pre sprays are used and the carpets are scrubbed ?
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Re: Eliminating emulsifier.

Post by milspec6 on Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:16 am

The action of an emulsifier is to keep the oil and water from separating. Since oil and water don't really mix, the oil will not blend unless there is an emulsifier OR agitation.....like stirring vegetable oil in a glass of water. The agitation will also blend the two together until it sits for awhile and then it separates.

So, the benefit to the Dry Slurry (in theory) is that it keeps the oils mixed with the water so that it can be flushed easier. This can be important if there is a high concentration of oil and greases that agitation alone can't keep the mix from separating.

My only concerns about emulsifiers has always been the time involved. If the emulsifier is in the cleaning spray, then it isn't in contact with the surface for more than maybe a couple hundredths of a second. In that short period of time, do you really think that the emulsifier is mixing with the oil and water suspended on the carpet? IF not, then it will only keep your tank easier to flush out....not help the carpets.

You will have to decide that one for yourself, but my view is that anything sprayed on carpet is useless unless there is some dwell / contact time. The exception would be acetone, but you shouldn't be spraying that on it anyway.

Besides, a little agitation with a CRB seems to be the best thing for your presprays and to restore some bounce to carpets. I have become a huge fan of them and use it on every job now.




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Re: Eliminating emulsifier.

Post by eldiabloz on Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:45 pm

I have been having great success with that Odo-ban 3 n 1 carpet cleaner. I buy it at Home depot for $10 a gallon. 2 -3 cups for 5 gallons works great. Low foaming, very little residue, cleans well, affordable, liquid mixes easily, easily attainable, no shipping, DFE label. Works for me.
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