The Royal Rumble

I am not aware of your relationship at all my point is I didn't put his tool down at all. I thought they were a little harsh.
It sounds about the same as you did with me you told me to go over there knowing full well they would rip me a new one and they did. I hung on and proved the product to be decent end of story but it still hurts. When someone has heart into it.
I am sure it hurt his feelings to everybody talking trash about his product. I also stated that they had no clue who was behind making it maybe his son I didn't know and I thought it was kinda harsh.
But that is the way they weed out junk I guess. It made me made and more determined to make it better that is for sure.
I have always stated MB is the veterans board and not much get by them that for sure. A lot of them have been around a while it seems.
I don't really know I don't have to much time to deal with it. I post things that maybe helpful maybe not.
I have some guy over on MB saying I am full of BS about my Tm but I tell you it kicks butt, I am not posting to brag but a lot of guys do want to build a rig and that is why I posted it just to share with them. If they have some skill and a little know how they can do it.

Tom you are so not part of this group, please forgive me if I keep pointing it out.

I never said I was Joe I have been here for while but just read I did not want the problems but I did talk to MO I won't deny that at all.

I am not really part of any group except my family and sometimes I am sure they wish they could ban me from time to time.
If something come up here and I have some input I will share.
Bob asked me to join the other forum,so did Fat Cat the truth is I don't have that much time to spend, and dang how many forums are there.
Some one gets bent goes and starts another forum OH how come you not over here, why are you not posting over here.
Geez you can only type your day so many times it not that you don't want to but when you don't have issues where you are why leave the friends and people that you met.
When you started the other forum we were already having issues and like I said before I met you and came into battles that were not mine. Yes some things I agree with but they are not mine
Just like a O/O does better than the techs it is his battle.
And getting to know you I had no clue that you could totally look at a TM with the mentality of it being your hot Rod. That why we clicked so well at first because we had that so much in common I live for that stuff I have always been a performance guy I get it. But I am not a go to the show and promote your product kinda guy. I don't like confrontation really I can do it but it is not in my nature. I am more out spoken on forums but In life not so much. Just do the job do it right and that is that no real bells and whistles
I am not saying I don't get mad and don't yell or push back when pushed as we both know the truth to that but it is not my nature to be that way to get up outta bed and be in a bad mood

Okay enough said, not here to bug ya if I see something I can share I will other than that peace out to you all good night.

caltoolsupply wrote:Mo
I want to donate my wands to this board. You can sell it as the raffle ticket. The people can try my tools out and give  feedback. Al way need improvement
VT 14  4 Jet
VT15   5 Jet
VT16    6 Jet
12" spinner and
Prochem TI knock off need some improvement  will donate also
Tony caltoolusa

Tony Dang,
You've been selling wands for how long?
Have you ever done something such as this, give away wands for input?
When and to who?
If not, could I be the first to observe that you may be doing this because of the latest exposure (both bad and really bad) here at the Lounge??
Just maybe you are trying to buy loyalty?

Tony, when I taught you how to make a VT wand, I never thought you would short change me like you have.

I taught you to use 110 jets, didn't I ?  I taught you the spacing and height too. On this basis, a VT14 would be 4 jets? Nope. It would be 5 jets.
So why are you using my name on a wand that is clearly not my wand?
Is this why you won't sell me one? So I wouldn't find out what you are doing?

Is it a big deal? No, not to the unknowing Wander, easy to get away with it using trade show hoax, but for guys who actually do know & care, don't you want to do it correctly?
Don't I do it correctly? Didn't Greenie do it correctly? Didn't both of us stress the importance of 6 jets for the PC Ti, as evenly spaced as possible?
Where were you?  Learning to speak the English language so you could come here and tell us these lies?

Tony, you make a copy, but don't copy the performance, yet you sell it on the basis of "performance." Why?  To make a quick buck off of ignorant cleaners?
Then why?  Why are you calling your wand the VT? That is the name I gave them. Are you a thief too?

The VT14 was designed with 5 jets.  Why don't you use 5 jets?
Likewise the VT15 was designed with 6 jets. Why are you only providing 5?
Are you short changing cleaners?

Suggestion:
Maybe you could start call your wands the Wanders VT knock off just like you are now calling your not-so-titanium Prochem Titanium wand the "Prochem knock off".  
Ya think?

Funny, you weren't calling your version of the PC Ti a "knockoff when you first came here.  Why did you start now? Do you feel Guilty, Busted?

When you first came her, you said, "Need Prochem Titanium Wands but can't afford it? Same performance, much cheaper."
What is your proof that it is a Prochem Titanium wand?
Where is your testing to support your claim on "same performance" ?
Or are you just saying these things to sell wands to cleaners who don't know any different?

I asked Gerson aka gtech12v, one guy who bought it, what he thought. He said it has an alumimum head. Really?
Does the Prochem Titanium have an alumimum head Tony?  Do you know the difference or was it a "mistake" like it was with the wands you made for me?
Or were you just flat out lying to the Lounge Lizards here when you told us "Need Prochem Titanium Wands but can't afford it? Same performance, much cheaper."
I asked Gerson about the performance. He couldn't confirm it but did say it does not have the wings in the back of the head like the genuine Prochem Titanium.
A small detail, yes, but one feature that does give the Prochem Titanium its performance.  
So it's not the Prochem Titanium is it Tony?
Yet didn't Gerson buy it on that basis?  
Didn't Gerson even pay cash?
You even had Gerson using the same words as you Tony, "what Tony says is true , I got one of Tony's new style prochem wands... . Cash buys lies Tony?  
Gerson also said you shorted him on some parts for which he would have to come to you to get credit for.
Good thing he's in the same town and not across the country like so many others who you've used that same line on, huh Tony?

Here's the ad Tony placed (the same ad Mo wouldn't admit he deleted):



"Mistake":  Recall what Tony did to me: After I gave him thousands of dollars, I waited months. I finally receive my first order of VT wands from Tony only to find out that he had used my money to make himself a wand, to sell against me, just like the wand I paid for, except with a few tiny changes, huh Tony? Deny it.  Changes that cheapened it and made it possible for Tony to hire cheap non-English speaking Vietnamese labor to finish it, young Vietnamese guys he paid cash, under the table, far below California minimum wage, right Tony? Why? So you wouldn't have to touch the wand, thus making it easy for you to move them quickly, right Tony?  You call them VT wands because I do, but yours are not VT wands are they Tony? Custom? Hardly. They are one-size-fits-all wands. But they are "cheap" so it's ok right Tony?  Who cares anyway, right Tony? Suppliers sure don't. They were helping you sell them weren't they?  Gerson sure didn't. Gerson was bragging on the boards about his. No doubt you paid cash, right Gerson?  Seems like the only one who cared was me, the guy who paid for the wands in the first place with hard cold American dollars, huh Tony? Who cares that I would have to do surgery on my wands just to bring them to a point where I could start to build them into the custom wands I had planned. Who cares about that tiny detail huh Tony?
It was just an honest "mistake" right Tony? Did I get credit? Nope. Did you give my money back Tony? Nope. Do I still have some of them Tony. Yep. Will you give my money back now that you are being confronted in front of real cleaners? Will you give my money back now that you have to be real Tony?  These are called "Questions" Tony.  Please answer them.

Tony, you claimed to have no clue as to how the "mistake" happened, but it gave you a wand you could sell as mine, immediately, didn't it Tony? A wand you could sell for less than I could. So did you have all this planned Tony?  You knew I would be selling true VT wands, built one at a time, custom to each of my customers unique specs. Right Tony?  You knew what I would be selling mine for didn't you Tony? You knew, but here's what you told me to do: "just cut it off" ... the fitting that is. But what about the scar, I asked? "...just take 50 bucks off the price." Isn't that what you told me Tony?
So I had a scar on my wands thanks to you Tony. No problem, just take a loss, won't happen again.  

Now I see you have gone to my way, a single, beautifully simple supply line that feeds a spraybar with the right jets. Oh wait, it's not the right jets? How come you didn't copy my spraybar too Tony?
Was it because you knew you get away with fewer jets, saving you a few more bucks?  Or was it based on "performance". Tell us how you determine performance Tony cuz apparently I'm missing something.  Or is it a lie ?

Is this what you do to sell wands Tony, lie to your potential customer? Sell them "cheap", deal with the problems later? Give em away once you get busted? Why? To buy our loyalty? With lies? Seriously?
Let's see a show of hands who want in on this lie?

Isn't this the kind of thing I warned you about Mo?
Again, it's not that you want to make money. It's the who and the how that I think is very, very wrong.

Did Ryan actually leave here cuz of all this?

SCCC wrote:

Joe Bristor wrote:Conway trying to fit into the Lounge:
"...We will be dead and gone..."

Conway trying to fit in at MB:
"Joe is old he wont be here forever and when that time comes he will be missed and remembered he will make a lot of people laugh at how coo coo he was and the world will go on and we will still be sucking water outta carpet."  
Tom Conway

See what I mean Mo?

What did I say it is true right after all is said and done people still gonna be sucking water outta carpet.
 Joe getting on to people for being a troll and here you are pulling stuff from other boards with your screen capture same old Joe.

Lets let everyone read the WHOLE THING instead of just taking a part and making it sound totally different okay JOE.
This is what I wrote:

Joe could really make/be something in this industry, but he has a way of turning against ones that are really willing to take time out of there life to help him, He still is going on about having guys make videos for him... He went off for 45 minutes on me for a video I shot to show him something and that was years ago and he is still at it.
Now I will say that he did help me as I was very new to the cleaning biz, but as time has gone on some of the nic-naks I have gotten rid of because honestly it is BS it really makes no difference in cleaning and dry times.
My cleaning quality has NOT GONE DOWN since my cut off from his products,my biz has not suffered because I don't use his products,my health is not going south because I don't use his presprays.
I would say that guys that bend over backwards to satisfy his needs will awaken one day in shock when they have built there biz with products he supplies only to be cut off for some stupid reason, it WILL put you in a awkward place,but you will survive easily.
COOL CUFFS are awesome no doubt they have lasted a very long time.....YEARS in fact and still going on one of my rigs, but guess what my home build TM has FLASH CUFFS and they are awesome I like the button I love them for 2.5 as they DO NOT COME APART unless I want them to.
Joe is old he wont be here forever and when that time comes he will be missed and remembered he will make a lot of people laugh at how coo coo he was and the world will go on and we will still be sucking water outta carpet.
So you see I wasn't being dishonest or saying something not true it was part of a statement that you took out place and made it look MUCH worse than it was.
Did I say COOL CUFFS were crap ? Did I name the things I didn't like? Kinda like my FALSE STATEMENT you have from ME about your Filter on you site, you took what you needed but left out the rest.

Dude, your video was amateurish, incomplete and missing a lot of pertinent info that coulda really helped it.
You did nothing with it because there was nothing in it for you just like you quit us on the Devastator cuz there wasn'enough money in it for you.
I spent that time trying to help you get it right, not the other way around.

Let's let everyone know that you posted this on MB along with other posts intended to damage me. You even told tmfers that Dang makes my tools.
Are you just ignorant of the facts or was it planned. I can just hear you and Rob Allen talking - yeah Dang has copied Joe's stuff so let's do everything we can to promote Dang, except you do it Tom cuz I've already shot my wad trying to knock Joe and Cool Cuffs being made in china ya know? Everybody already knows what a Fool I am, but you, you still have some credibility, so get over there and make buddies with Mo.
So here you are, sneaking over here to Mo looking for a weakness in him so you can exploit this board with a $225 filter turned into $400.  Oh, but it is less for us, right?   You're even giving them away like Tony Dang. Genius. just to get your dirty foot in the door just like Tony Vietnamese Dang.

Did Dang tell you he snagged a Dev. at ICE and planned to copy it, you know the guy you are trying to get buddy-buddy with.
I told him if he did I'd copy every POS tool he copies and sell it for less. Doubt me?

Mo's got me fighting for my life here. Thanks a lot Mo.

Yes, I did just get an email from Ryan. He's done. He makes a good point how Mo is just another Foster.
"I wish I would have never done as much as I did to help Mo get to this point. I hate it."

Where do you other guys stand on this?
Were you just here to freeload in the first place or did you think we were growing the real cleaner model?
Any you guys have balls enough to speak up?
It's OK, bust my ass if you want to. I just need to hear from you. All of you.
No comment at this point is not gonna bode well for you and me.

Read this ,



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I do not know everything that has happened between Joe and everyone else.

I know some guys make it a point to degrade each other at every opportunity. Allen, Potatoehead, Bristor, amoung many. It's a negative advertising campaign, that I find stupid, childish, and very unproductive. Just the facts, please. And no need to carry it around forever either. It makes you look obsessed when that's all you can carry on about.

I think Mo, has kept with the real cleaners philosophy. Helping others, being truthful, and assisting others to succeed. He sure hasn't turned tail and ran away, or cowered because Joe jumped his butt.

Now he is being compared to Foster. Not even in the same ballpark. And besides, if you want to bang some more on Foster, who was the one to give up the damn board anyway? Joe, besides the way you communicate with your own guys, your flaw is you just can't accept responsibility for doing something wrong. YOU gave that board up. Doesn't matter if Foster "fooled" you into it. Ultimately, you gave it up. First thing Foster did was BAN you, as he planned. I was the first SOB to cry foul and tell him to pack it in his arse! Mo hasn't done ANY such thing to you. You FEEL that way, because he is giving other's an  opportunity, just like he has YOU.

And to be truthful, as always, Tony Dang has not screwed me or tried to in any way. Matter of fact, the wand was missing a few pieces of hardware for the handle, and he sent it out to me right away. The wand he sold me, works just like it should. No damage, nothing wrong with it. You're right, it is a "cheap" wand, but I didn't think I was buying a Ti wand for a bargain. I feel I got, what I paid/bargained for.

You keep worrying about everyone damaging you, but don't you think you are doing a good enough job yourself, the way you carry on and attack everyone? You eat your own at the drop of hat dude. You and Mikey have more in common than you care to admit.

Pro chem quad
11 inches cast head 1.75" tube flare to 2"
11 inches is good size?
or it should be 12"
or doesn't mater ?

Pro chem Quad
Tube size 1.75" + 2" flare
is it OK to make 2" tube ?

Tony người rằng thông điệp gì? Bạn có thể tặng một bữa ăn tối sushi khỏa thân với tôi


That google translator is awesome

Pro Chem quad is a time tested and liked wand. A lot of guys swear buy it. I have one I like in residential setting because it gets just about anywhere, I think for residential setting it really shines. It is heavy but it takes a beating and always works. It came with my TM so I have had it for at least 5 years and it was a used model so no telling how old it is,the lips are worn about half way down and most of my time it has had a glide.
Adding a 2" tube would be awesome I think.

Hey Tony,
An honest guy would answer questions asked of him?
Why are you ignoring me?

Are you ever going to return the Pro chem quad wand I loaned you like 2 years ago or
were you planning to steal it from me all along?

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Andy Mc wrote:WOW,  who would of thought the classified section would hold the most interesting content on the board.  lol

So many issues,  I can only comment of a few, as im ignorant of the inner workings of the board/ advertising world.

As for MO,  I will say that I have known him longer then any one else here, (perty sure, casue I remember knowing him shortly after he started his business)

For sure he aint no Foster!!  

Mo  is for sure a guy with a good heart, and a touch of humility,   never seen him cause anyone any trouble in all the years I'v known him,  nor was he a guy to ever just post meaning less dribble just to show off his knowledge  for the sake of his ego.   (un like some other guys we all know)

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Careful with the Mod Brown Nosin', or you may have to start calling yourself names and making stupid claims like you do to me.

SO you've now expressed your displeasure (what 2 dozen times now?) stating I call people names (blahblah), and also hold it against me when I give a person praise for a helpful post. So WTF is it that's OK to do here, Mr. ........?

Cracker if I knew what the heck your talking about I could respond.

Play dumb, and deny right?........."you're going to have to do better then that man" quote from post above before you edited it^, when it's all here in B&W in your posts. Your last one in this thread for this example.....


Giving a negative is an opinion Ryan, as you say opinions should be allowed?

a balanced individual should be able to handle it with out calling a guy a douche, or a d head or telling him to f off. And now the talk of strangle action

Personally I think that's worse then the "jack ass" voting negative but maybe I'm weird. I must be because everyone else seems to think so.

As long as Cracker keeps sucking up to the mods in every other post I suppose he can say what he wants. A lesson for all of us.

Yea whats your point Cracker?

I edited my post to make it nicer and lower IQ so you can keep up,

you have a hard time dealing with more then one concept at a time.

OK the above post was mean, I take it back. Cracker I wish you well, have a good weekend.

Joe
You send me about 15 wands not only pro chem quad
I send them all back and its been 2 years, why do you bring it up now
You're a good and honest guy, but your temper is uncontrollable

Andy Mc wrote:Yea whats your point Cracker?    

I edited my post to make it nicer and lower IQ   so you can keep up,  

you have a hard time dealing with more then one concept at a time.

 

Why don't you fcuk off (add that one to your chicken $hit name calling list )and put me on your ignore list, because if you're going to keep talking $hit I'm going to get in your face, which apparently you can't deal with other than being evasive.

I did not send the Pro Chem in with the first batch.
You know that. I took you a while longer to talk me out of it. And no you did not return it.

My temper is under complete control.
But when you lie to and steal from me and try to deceive me, you will hear me get very mad at you.
True.

Yes I am good & honest.  The question is are you?

There' a dozen Qs I've asked right above here and you haven't answered one of them.
There is no issue about temper is there. But there IS an issue about truth, honesty, and integrity.
This Q about the wands is the only one you've addressed and I'd say that's only because you think I can't prove I sent the Pro chem Quad by itself.
But what if I could. Would you admit it then Tony? If I could show you my fedex shipments that show a single wand weighing about 13 lbs, would you admit it then?

You gave me a lot of items, but I shipped all of them back by Pallet. I don't have any of your items in my warehouse. I did not lie, but can you just let it go? I used to drop ship my tools to your costumers, but I never get paid. you say you are always too busy to go over the invoice ,and never have time for it ? How we about clear this up, and move on.

Cracker, relax, and have a good weekend. You don't like me that's fine.

I will own you in a debate, but I got better things to do , as I'm sure you do.