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Post by SixShooter Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:42 pm

Customer had multiple circular rust stains.

We applied rust remover and they all vanished.

We rinsed.

After drying one and only one of the circles returned but now it's blue colored. It's exactly the same circle only blue.

Has anyone encountered this?

The other circles are completely gone.
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Post by Cjcann Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:59 am

It may be an indicator dye. Try this. Determine if your rust spotter is alkaline or acid based. Try using the opposite. If it's acidic in nature try some ammonia. If alkaline try an acid based product, maybe some glycolic acid or whatever you have that fits the bill. Might work.
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Post by milspec6 Sat Mar 29, 2014 9:18 am

Turned Blue? Suspect that there might have been some removal attempts by the owner and it was not chemically compatible with your rust remover. It sounds like a chemical shift.

Test for ph and go from there.
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Post by dp1 Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:23 pm

Circular rust, is it from plant pots ?
If it is, I'm almost willing to bet you that the customer was using some kind of plant food to feed that particular plant, I would rinse it with water first before testing the ph or neutralize things, I like to keep things as simple as possible, but if it doesn't come clean then you'd have to do what Rob and Eldiabloz were suggesting, good luck and don't forget to share your experience here after you're done :-)
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Post by SixShooter Sat Mar 29, 2014 5:00 pm

eldiabloz wrote:It may be an indicator dye. Try this. Determine if your rust spotter is alkaline or acid based. Try using the opposite. If it's acidic in nature try some ammonia. If alkaline try an acid based product, maybe some glycolic acid or whatever you have that fits the bill. Might work.

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Post by SixShooter Sat Mar 29, 2014 5:01 pm

milspec6 wrote:Turned Blue?  Suspect that there might have been some removal attempts by the owner and it was not chemically compatible with your rust remover.  It sounds like a chemical shift.

Test for ph and go from there.

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Post by SixShooter Sat Mar 29, 2014 5:05 pm

dp1 wrote:Circular rust, is it from plant pots ?
If it is, I'm almost willing to bet you that the customer was using some kind of plant food to feed that particular plant, I would rinse it with water first before testing the ph or neutralize things, I like to keep things as simple as possible, but if it doesn't come clean then you'd have to do what Rob and Eldiabloz were suggesting, good luck and don't forget to share your experience here after you're done :-)

That's interesting DP because of the uniformity I was stumped as to how one would have this effect and not the others. You may be on to something.

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Post by milspec6 Sat Mar 29, 2014 5:09 pm

DP is the man, seen it all. Most plant supplements are iron based, so the rust makes sense. There are also ph modifiers at work...sulphur, lye, etc. Could be any one of those things.

I still lean towards a failed attempt by the owner. I have seen a lot of odd colors arrive after they used an "oxy" product on it, you just might be the unluckly one to activate their mistake.
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Post by SixShooter Sat Mar 29, 2014 5:12 pm

milspec6 wrote:DP is the man, seen it all.  Most plant supplements are iron based, so the rust makes sense.  There are also ph modifiers at work...sulphur, lye, etc.  Could be any one of those things.

I still lean towards a failed attempt by the owner.  I have seen a lot of odd colors arrive after they used an "oxy" product on it, you just might be the unluckly one to activate their mistake.

Man, this is kind of like a carpet cleaner's mystery/who done it.

Very interesting.

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Post by milspec6 Sat Mar 29, 2014 5:28 pm

Does the homeowner look anything like Col. Mustard? That might tip you off.
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Post by Cjcann Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:41 am

Back in the day.... 20 years ago or so I cleaned a tan nylon cut pile. Little green spots showed up all over! lady was already picking out new carpet. Regular cleaning wasn't doing a thing. Then I noticed the large rack of plants and the Miracle grow box. She had spilled it all over at one time. Her vacuum didn't pick it all up. Steam cleaning activated it and a day later, voila, green spots. I remember using this stuff called nameless dye remover. Was probably HP or something. Saved my ass! She was pissed, had to return her samples, NO New Carpet For You!
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