Soils and oils and slop and gobble

I have been using soils and oils. I have tried 1 oz to 6 oz per gallon pump sprayer and notice it doesn't clean that well and dog smell still lingers. I know I can use a deodorizer and also peroxide. Just hasn't worked that great for me.

I tried a sample of the slop and gobble. I notice it cleans the same if not better at 1 oz per gallon vs 6 oz per gallon of the soils and oils. Also the dog smell doesn't linger. I didn't use peroxide either.

Just curious the thoughts.

Chris is from the old cafe just got lost in the split you'll find some good answers and suggestions to help.

Like everything, there is a little learning curve to it.

The peroxide makes a big difference as does the agitation component. This isn't a high ph burn it out kind of prespray (that's a good thing). It is a different animal really.

Try it with some peroxide and some agitation (175, crb, rotary extractor, brush, etc.) and you will be impressed. For me, I find that adding some S/O/E to the mix is also very helpful.

Just don't give up on it yet. The first time I tried it was on a basement that had a lot of stains and pet odors. I expected it to be a miracle worker, but found that some stains remained and ended up going back and using pro-zyme on that job. My samples stayed on the truck for months for wool and auto carpets.

Then I used it again one day on a residential where the owner was very sensitive to odors. Ran it at 32 oz in my sprayer along with peroxide and agitated with my orbot....bang, great results and happy customer.

Work with the concentration and boost with peroxide...S/O/E if you have any samples of that and do some agitation. It cleans well, no odor, and dries quicker than most presprays. It is worth the patience.

Haven't tried the Judson stuff yet.....

Another great and helpful post, Rob!!   

You know the S/O vs SnG comparison is funny, because I had just the opposite experience by not being impressed with the SnG. Like Rob I also boost with Peroxide and agitate.

But really didn't have much interest in using it (just tried a sample a couple times), because I like the safer, green, Lower PH, and NewGen save alternative you get with S/O, and this includes my customers as well.

I did a few side by side tests ,, Both at recommended dilutions. and found them nearly equal in cleaning power.

With soils and oils you need to give a scrub . ANd Mix extra strong in a hand held sprayer and hit the bad greasy spots before pre spraying.

BTW, Dave,, there is nothing un safe about slop n gobble . It is one of the safest products on the market.

S/o is best for Wool,  upholstery,  5th gen carpets, really white 100% nylon thick pile (where brown out can be a risk),   sensitive customers,   area rugs,   homes with babies crawling around,   very green customers who dont use anything like Tide for their laundry etc. Gotta have it in the truck.

also being able to say your product is recognized by EPA is a big thing

Slop and gobble is for the nasties,   12pH breaks grease and heavy heavy soiling....    yes you can get close to the same results with S/O and peroxide but youll need to crb or 175 to come close.

They are two completely different products,    for filthy nasties I prefer a high pH knock out punch.    


Have been using chemtex ph 10k lately for the nasties and man that stuff really cleans well!!    Its much different because when you spray it down it comes out like clear water and if you blast little grease spots they dont turn white like most pre sprays....    but as soon as that wand and 200f hits it,    holy crap.

Andy Mc wrote:...............................   

BTW, Dave,,    there is nothing un safe about slop n gobble  .   It is one of the safest products on the market.

Mr. Argue,

Sorry to break the news (facts), but..........

With as high as a 12 PH for SnG it can be "unsafe" for somethings, although I don't believe I said it was in my last post, or did I?

And as AC said, the two are "completely different products".........which I think really aren't truly comparable.


Like I said find someone else to hassle and argue with, I'm not into it.


Sincerely,
"The Police"   

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Officer Dave,
You have a real hard time understanding what was said.  Let me summarize...

You said,(regarding slop n Gooble) that you have no interest in using it because   "I like the safer, green, Lower PH,"

You list 3 separate objections,    I corrected you on the "safer"  objection.  

Becasue I assumed you were suggesting that some how slop n gooble was not a safe product for people ,,,   as you listed ph as a separate concern

 Fact is it's actually is a very safe product , (for people)   Not talking PH safe for carpet fibers.

^^X2
De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da

"Assumed" Making an Ass outa you and yourself  

BY!

-Mr. Officer!

Explain to me how I made an ass out of my self by addressing what you said?

You list PH and Safty as separate concerns,  

a logical mind ,  would figure the safty concern had to do with health issues and not PH  safty for carpet fibers.

Where am I wrong here??,

And back to the reason I left message boards.

Bye everyone! Thanks for the help.

Ok everyone needs to CHILL !!! My God you guys are like 10 year olds, even my 10 year olds can solve her conflict !
Look, people post things to ask for opinions on 2 products, just give your opinions and MOVE ON !!!
We have more people joined the forum and when they see y'all argue about everything, do you think they're going to post ?!?!
I know I won't, and if this continues I'm sure Chris isn't the only one leaving, so you guys need to COOL IT !!! OK ??
Have a blessed weekend guys.

Ccumato wrote:And back to the reason I left message boards.

Bye everyone! Thanks for the help.

Ignore the character conflicts. They are everywhere, not just forum, we all have them in our family's. You would have to be around more often to understand that Andy and Dave have been on two different sides of philosophy. No big deal! I'm sensitive, just ask DP! This place his here to help you answer question and learn.

The guy selling you that stuff sure isn't giving you the in-depth contexts that you will find here. Further more, you will find it to be honest field experience information. Which can't and will not be found at the place you buy supplies at.

It's takes time to make friends and adapt to personalities. Relationships are only as good as the time you choose to invest in them.

I used S/O exclusively for 7 years just to see if I could prove its worth to me.
It did prove its worth to me so I started selling it to other cleaners.
By that time I knew it was a good cleaner, a safe cleaner, a long-life cleaning agent that didn't damage stain resistance.

The first samples I gave out were from that same batch of 7 drums I'd made up 7 yrs earlier. So I knew its shelf life and stability were good.

All I used to scrub was the Grandi Groomer. I did the spray-scrub-spray. Towards the end I finally got a rotary and Hruby OP and HOST crb. They all helped the performance.

Di water was the biggest boost for me as was peroxide.
S/O LOVES WATER! ... the more the better, the softer the better, the hotter the better.
I only added peroxide through my White Knight Sprayer and only where/when needed for it damages florochemicals' stain protection.
Since I mostly cleaned residential, I'd only needed it in the food based spill areas, but I'd hit it hard there, with WN 12%.  

Only place S/O failed me was areas/jobs where I'd already killed it with Grease Eraser, or some other cleaner had come through there with high pH or percarbonate based cleaning agents.

There's safe and then there's DfE Safe.  Not many cleaning agents qualify for DfE.
S/O got Recognized by the DfE for using the safest ingredients in its class, both individual ingredients and combined.  
If you think high pH is safe, put a dilute (very, very dilute) drop of ammonia water on your tongue. It will melt the skin right off.  
With lower pH cleaners like S/O all you'll get is that feeling of having your mouth washed out with soap.
 
Several Real Cleaners, RCs, here and around the country buy S/O by the drum and use it as their base prespray for all the reasons they mention.  
They only add other ingredients to it as needed, like peroxide and solvents and deodorants.  Experience teaches us these things. Thus the designation 'RC'.
In restaurants, they're using it as an additive to their high pH cleaning agents for its ability to release certain oils that the strong stuff doesn't work on.
Use S/O as far as it'll go. Scrub it in. Rinse it out. Where you know you need high pH or oxidation, etc. then add it to the mix.
Bottomline, like several real cleaners here have testified, S/O is a safe, all purpose cleaning agent safe for all wet-cleanables.

By the drum, S/O is more cost-effective and just plain smart.  
By the drum... distribution is smarter and less damaging to the envirionment: less traffic and less waste since fewer gallon jugs need be disposed of ... Buy the drum!
Also by the drum... you can put an end to Frantic Fridays - realizing you're out of prespray but you've got jobs on Saturday, the day regular suppliers decide to be closed.
Real Cleaners know all this stuff. Pretty simple.

Ccumato, I want to know about you.
You started this thread off by saying "I have been using soils and oils ..."
yet my records show you've only bought one gallon of Soil and Oils, and that was over a year ago.  
Please explain.

If you are the Chris Cummings I know from the café, owner of MIGHTY PRO 3874 RENAE DR. UNIT E, MYRTLE BEACH, SC 29579, 843 504-2253 Chriscumming83@yahoo.com,
what is your company name NOW, as I find nothing for you under Google search?
Please tell us more about you and your experience as a cleaner.

How hot do you get your water?
Do you use softened water?
Do you use a truckmount or are you still a portable only guy?
How many carpets have you cleaned in your career?
What do you use for agitation?

Sorry for being un sensitive to the other board members. I know I can come off abrasive at times, I have no ill will towards any one, including Dave.

Chris has been a member since we opened the forum but never posted. His first post is knocking one product over another and he does it anonymously. And when two members argue he leaves the forum and never comments on the responses that members had on his thread
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Thanks for starting the conversation Chris, we'll take it from here.

Lets read the MSDS of both products and decide which product is safer for cleaners spraying this stuff down every day. I have attached the MSDS for both products. 

Maybe we should do some side by side testing to see what product works better on residential carpets. I believe there is already a consensus that Slop and gobble does a better job on restaurants??

I believe Andy, AC, Ryan etc have tried Slop and Gobble and S/O maybe they can give their opinion on what there experience has been comparing those products on residential carpets

Ryan, When you have time can you tell us what the pre spray costs would be at the recommended RTU for Slop and Gobble compared to S/O? Lets leave the shipping and drum variable out of the equation so that we can compare apples to apples.

Chris texted me this question. So I sent him here to find the answer. He is kinda freaked out now. Lol. It's hard for people to understand the dynamics of the lounge just by dropping in hit and miss style.

I agree we can take the topic from here. I hope Chris chooses to wade in the water a little deeper.

I got some slop. At label rate it's .19 a gallon. But label rate hasn't worked fir me. I'm double that.

S/o is .60 a gallon for how we use it at 4 oz per gallon.

But I will have to say these are not good comparisons. Using a 12pH cleaner as your general is kinda over kill and wasteful. That's kinda what I wanted Chris to learn. Wonder why his supplier wouldn't take the time to share that with him?

Thanks Ryan. So it looks like Slop and Gobble wins the cost per gallon scenario over Soils & Oils.

Let's move on to which one is safer for the cleaners that are breathing this stuff in on a daily basis.

Now were not arguing abut the efficacy of material safety data sheets or how humans beings react to certain chemicals etc. Just the two published MSDS sheets. Maybe Dave and Andy can chime in here.


[url=http://www.realcleaners.com/Soils & Oils Original, MSDS.pdf]Soils & Oils MSDS Sheet[/url]


Slop & Gobble Material Safety Data Sheet

Mo wrote:Thanks Ryan. So it looks like Slop and Gobble wins the cost per gallon scenario over Soils & Oils.

Let's move on to which one is safer for the cleaners that are breathing this stuff in on a daily basis.

Now were not arguing abut the efficacy of material safety data sheets or how humans beings react to certain chemicals etc. Just the two published MSDS sheets. Maybe Dave and Andy can chime in here.

Soils & Oils Material Safety Date Sheet

Slop & Gobble Material Saafety Data Sheet

Well, we already know Andy says " Fact is it's actually is a very safe product , (for people) Not talking PH safe for carpet fibers."

I tend to believe Joe, and when it comes to human/pet safety S/O is where it's at, and I'm no chemist so me comparing the MSDS wouldn't tell me much..............but I would think Joe could?

And yes, with SnG having a 12 PH I don't see that being safe or good for most of the carpets I clean. S/O is not only NewGen carpet safe, but also safe on wool and furniture!..........Beat that SnG!!   

I'd say S/O is pretty damn hard to beat, looking at the big picture, for what it is and what it can be used on, for ONE single product, and DfE Approved too! Sure you may be able to beat it's performance with a dozen other chems, but who want's to replace one Cleaner with another 12 gallons in your van?!?!......no thanks.

Ha would you put this on your carpet ? This is one of the main ingredients in slop.

truth is this could be Joes secret surfactant but probably not..
As far as I know a hydroxide ain't gonna pass no green cert for a reason. Many people are allergic to caustic soda.

Davey Cracker wrote:

Mo wrote:Thanks Ryan. So it looks like Slop and Gobble wins the cost per gallon scenario over Soils & Oils.

Let's move on to which one is safer for the cleaners that are breathing this stuff in on a daily basis.

Now were not arguing abut the efficacy of material safety data sheets or how humans beings react to certain chemicals etc. Just the two published MSDS sheets. Maybe Dave and Andy can chime in here.

Soils & Oils Material Safety Date Sheet

Slop & Gobble Material Saafety Data Sheet

Well, we already know Andy says " Fact is it's actually is a very safe product , (for people)   Not talking PH safe for carpet fibers."

I tend to believe Joe, and when it comes to human/pet safety S/O is where it's at, and I'm no chemist so me comparing the MSDS wouldn't tell me much..............but I would think Joe could?

And yes, with SnG having a 12 PH I don't see that being safe or good for most of the carpets I clean. S/O is not only NewGen carpet safe, but also safe on wool and furniture!..........Beat that SnG!!   

I'd say S/O is pretty damn hard to beat, looking at the big picture, for what it is and what it can be used on, for ONE single product, and DfE Approved too!  Sure you may be able to beat it's performance with a dozen other chems, but who want's to replace one Cleaner with another 12 gallons in your van?!?!......no thanks.

According to the msds it's 11/12 ph depending on dilution and pull rate obviously. With that being said I bet if someone were to test the ph that's actually sprayed out of an in line with a tip it would be closer to 11 maybe even 10.
Maybe that's just me but I usually only have a couple ounces per in line jug and still don't understand everyone else that's putting in up to 32 oz is just insane. I've never had a problem with under 4 oz of any cleaner per in line jug. Ever.

That MSDS is for S/O/O....not a fair comparison to S&G.

One of things to consider when reading any MSDS is the boiling point of the product. IF you like to run your solution at 220+ degrees, you are boiling the product and increasing the inhalation effects.

Just something to consider....

I just noticed that Rob fixed the link

milspec6 wrote:That MSDS is for S/O/O....not a fair comparison to S&G.

One of things to consider when reading any MSDS is the boiling point of the product.  IF you like to run your solution at 220+ degrees, you are boiling the product and increasing the inhalation effects.

Just something to consider....

With regards to respiratory protection. When applying Soils & Oils no respiratory protection is needed. When applying Slop & Gobble you need to wear a respiratory mask. The boiling point of S&O is 212% for Slop 220%