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Post by Mo Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:36 pm

So when I tested the LG heater at home all was well. On the job today I couldn't get any flow of water out of it. I disconnected everything and reconnected and nothing. I had to go cold water extraction. The coil has been fixed twice. I didn't notice any leaks. Will a pin hole leak prevent water flow? Any hints thoughts. One of the QDs on the heater is new maybe Ill switch out the other one.

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Post by milspec6 Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:40 pm

If the coil isn't plugged (doubtful) it would have to be your QD.

Cold water extraction brings back memories.......bad ones.
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Post by Mo Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:43 pm

Tell me about it. I was already to melt that filth like butta and got nada. It does have that drain bolt at the bottom I think Ill open that up too
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Post by milspec6 Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:48 pm

IF no water comes out....you have your answer.

It wouldn't be the first time a QD failed right out of the block...had a couple do that last year. Being new, you assume that it couldn't possibly be the problem, but sometimes it really is.

Might also want to flush the coil with a garden hose to make sure you don't have an air pocket in there blocking the water flow. I've never seen it happen, but hot water and steam mixture can develop pockets just like your van's radiator.
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Post by Davey Cracker Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:49 pm

Mo, do you use QD's on the heater to connect the in and out flow?

I've never seen a coil get clogged but have seen QD tappet springs get soft and not depress, causing no flow.

Do you have an air compressor?.......if so try blowing some air thew it
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Post by Mo Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:06 pm

Yeah I do on both sides of it. I could eliminate in inlet one though. Good idea about the blowing it threw it. I was just going to open that drain bolt and flush it
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Post by Davey Cracker Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:17 pm

Replace the QD's and I bet your prob is solved.

To check them, take them off and connect them together looking in the backside to see if the tappets depress on both sides.
The one that doesn't is the bad one.
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Post by TimM Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:58 am

QD would be the first thing that I would check.
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Post by Davey Cracker Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:36 pm

Let us know what it was when you get it figured out Mo?
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Post by Mo Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:33 pm

I'm on it tomorrow, Did you ever switch out the unitrols?
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Post by Davey Cracker Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:43 pm

Not yet, but I'm planing on this weekend to do that.

I've just been doing Warm Water Extraction (WWE) lol, and haven't seen steam in months! No
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Post by ACpower1 Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:51 pm

damn I should have QDs on the little giant to make it easier to pull out when I service it. I have a swivel on the cold side so its not terrible but much tougher than just QDs..

I agree though, its gotta be the QDs little inner nipple not depressing
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Post by Mo Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:46 pm

They're brand new too. I have to disconnect to clean tile AC I have the low pressure one
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Post by Mo Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:41 am

So I got water out of the heater again. I just connected everything back and it started working... WTH? I did the same thing multiple times at the job released the pressure at the QD etc.

The only thing that I noticed is that the shut off valve at me lead hose was leaking but I doubt if that was the problem. For some reason it wasn't pressurized must have sucked in some air never happened before and hopefull it doesn't happen again
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Post by milspec6 Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:36 am

Sounds like an air pocket to me. Trapped air bubbles are incredibly resistant to bursting and can stop flow.
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Post by Davey Cracker Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:12 am

Good to hear it's working again.
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Post by Mo Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:45 pm

Just in time to Im going this week
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Post by Davey Cracker Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:18 pm

Where you going to?
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Post by Mo Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:02 pm

Very Happy Im going to be busy
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Post by Mo Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:07 pm

It happened again on the first job today was working good all of a sudden lost pressure.  I put the solution line directly to the machine and no problem. I think Ill get rid of the QD that connects water from machine to LG . Arrhhhhh
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Post by Davey Cracker Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:00 pm

Yup, it's a soft QD, I had the same problem last week, and it was a soft spring on a male QD.  

If one is worn out and soft, then when you connect them, male/female together the soft spring doesn't depress the other good one, and that's what keeps it from flowing........they rely on being equally as stiff to both depress each other for flow.  Wait, it sounds like I'm talking about a marriage here, M/F, no flow, depression. laughing

You can usually feel the bad one by pressing on it with your thumb, to find the worn/soft one.

It's funny, how they just are intermittent in working or not......same as mine was last week. That's why I always have a set or two of new QD's in my van.
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Post by milspec6 Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:23 pm

Spares are important....prefer to replace them in matching sets as well.
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Post by Mo Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:00 pm

It quit after 2 rooms on the second job again. We'll see how it goes tomorrow after I removed on of the QDs, both sets are new. I have a feeling the coil isn't working properly. I don't see any leaks after it quits. I removed the cap and the silver solder area looks weird but not leaking.

I don't have a pressure relief valve on it. Do you guys think that might be the problem?
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Post by milspec6 Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:19 pm

If the psi relief valve was opening, your water would be getting discharged through it....is the water exiting?

I would try this next. Start the tm and run the heater at full temp with a stopwatch. Note if / what time it shuts down. If it is at about the same time, then there might be an issue with the coil repair.

I wonder if the solder is expanding under heat and closing off the coil? Does the heater work again once it cools down?
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Post by Mo Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:43 pm

I have no relief valve installed.

Ill try that timing thing. The first time I attempted to get it working buy just gave up and disconnected and cleaned with cold water
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